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14 APR 20 by
newtie
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I consider this rose to be David Austin's single most important introduction. This rose replaces the great Portland rose, Comte de Chambord. The latter is disease ridden in my hot humid climate. Not G.Jekyll however, which appears identical to C.de Chambord in every respect except vigor and disease resistance. G. Jekyll is outstanding here so long as it is pruned fairly heavily each year.
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#1 of 11 posted
14 APR 20 by
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I'll try that pruning method over here, for it stays very lanky throughout the years with very few flowers.
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#2 of 11 posted
14 APR 20 by
newtie
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Cut it back quite hard this winter. Half to two thirds.
Fertilize it in the early spring. It should be covered in blooms next spring. But it has to be reasonably healthy to begin with. After it is going good you can settle for removing about 1/3 of the canes length each subsequent year. Wear a flack jacket and heavy leather gloves when you do this.
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#3 of 11 posted
15 APR 20 by
Jay-Jay
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Thank You for the advice.
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25 FEB 21 by
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#5 of 11 posted
26 FEB 21 by
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Yes, I did. It flowered on eye-level, because of that... But we had a very dry growing and flowering season, so alas not much of a sea of flowers. Just a few.
My top soil is only 40-60cm above 5m of boulder-clay. No water comes from below.
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26 FEB 21 by
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26 FEB 21 by
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I would agree that it is one of if not the most important rose Austin introduced, but (at least in my experience) I have to say that it cannot replace Comte de Chambord in any way, as I find the two varieties to be quite different, even if vaguely similar. I grow both within about 15 feet of each other, so it is very easy to compare the two. I find that when kept as a small bush comparable in size to C.d.C, Gertrude Jekyll does not really perform very well and is actually inferior to the Portland, whereas she thrives when left to get large and 'frothy'. As I say, that is just what I have found. And Gertrude gets a similar amount of disease to C.d.C. here, if not more. Also, I don't really think that the perfume or the colour of the blooms is the same - similar, but not interchangeable. Both great, but different. Its like when Austin's claim in their catalogues that the English Roses could be said to have superseded the old Portland, H.P. and Bourbon classes - er, no...... sorry, but no they haven't. Because they are different, and that's that. The best thing of course, if you can and your climate suits such things, is to grow both! But I know not all climates suit Austins or Portlands, so I can see that you may have had a very different experience with them to what I have had. Its really interesting how roses can differ so much by simply being in different places.
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#9 of 11 posted
26 JUN 21 by
newtie
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My C.D.C is doing better than it ever has, despite the hellish hot humid summer here. Yet I can not detect much difference between Gertrude Jekyll and C.D.C. , other than the significantly better health (here in the humid deep south) of G.J. Your reporting that the color and perfume of these two roses differs significantly makes me wonder if we have the same roses. I really can't tell the difference between them other than in vigor and plant habit. The bloom and stems, covered with thorns, seem the same, but I may have missed some detail that a botanist would notice. I do find that under good nutrition that G. Jekyll does get large and "frothy" by Fall even after being cut back by about two-thirds in late January here. And it does bloom prolifically in Spring and Fall after it has been established for a couple years..
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Thanks for coming back with a follow up on this - I think its really interesting.
Well one possibility is that the Comte de Chambords that we have may be different I suppose? - there is the whole confusion about whether he is actually Mme Boll, so maybe that is it? Or maybe it is literally down to the climate, soil, position, etc.
When I say that I notice a difference, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that they are as different as say Gertude Jekyll compared to say Quatre Saison for an oldie or Mary Rose for an Austin - but I would be able to tell she and the Comte apart from the smell and shape alone I think.
When the weather turns and it stops raining later this week, I'll try and take a pic or two.
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What are your flower shapes like? My Comte has more of a cup shape to the middle, whereas my Gertrude is rarely like that, and usually a little more reflexed if anything. How about yours?
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12 FEB 21 by
Nadene
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone would be able to please help me identify this rose. It is growing in the location of SG56 C09 Rex Hazlewood Rose Garden. It is meant to be the rose Hansa. I have been able to identify a couple of true Hansa Canes (picture on rose page) which have been completely swamped by this rose. This rose has spread an easy 5 to 7m within the garden bed. It shares the garden bed with, R. rugosa alba, Schneezwerg, Blanc Double de Courbert, F.J. Grrotendorst, Fimbriata, Sarah van Fleet, Belle Poitevine, Roseraie de l'Hay and Fru Dagmar Hartopp. Does any one recognise this rose, or is it also possible it has self seeded / reverted to a parent rose etc.
If I am unable to identify it, is it acceptable to use Rugosa species, Unknown for a sign.
Thankyou.
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12 FEB 21 by
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Veilchenblau’s thought of R. rugosa is good.
The sign. I don’t know. But it could be a seedling of a rugosa hybrid - there are so many of the single purple rugosas out there. I would be inclined to use.....Rugosa, unknown.
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#3 of 6 posted
13 FEB 21 by
Nadene
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. I do like this rose and its hips even though it has invaded the garden. Thankyou.
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Have you identified this Nadene, or shall I make a “study file” for it?
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#5 of 6 posted
11 MAY 21 by
Nadene
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Hi Patricia, That would be great if you could create a study file. I have not yet entered any data for a plaque for this rose. Rex Hazlewood SG56 C09. Any information / feedback would be wonderful. Thanks, Nadene
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Study file "Hazlewood SG56 C09" added and photos moved. Unfortunately I am unable to move the comments. If there is any information above that would help in the identification, just copy and paste and do a comment in the new file.
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Beginner question here: As a first time rose-grower, I'm looking for a good rose to quickly ascend a north-facing wall in St. Louis, and was pretty taken with the description of 'Rambling Rector'. However, I haven't had any luck finding this in stock in any US nursery. I was wondering if this is just a seasonal thing, or if perhaps I happen to be trying to find a particularly rare or unobtainable variety.
[edit: of course, if anyone wants to recommend something better for this situation, I'm happy to take suggestions]
Thanks!
Robbie
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#1 of 4 posted
29 MAR 21 by
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It comes down to whether you want a rose that has only one flowering season, like Rambling Rector, or repeat-flowers. Mme Alfed Carriere, as suggested by Delaney, is a nice scented repeat-flowerer. You could contact a Heritage Roses group in your area, to ask what does well in your climate.
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Thank you both for the wonderfully helpful and productive responses!
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29 MAR 21 by
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28 MAR 21 by
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#1 of 15 posted
28 MAR 21 by
Smtysm
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Yep, same here. It's been a conscious decision both times. Some superstitious primal brain remnant doesn't want me to tempt fate by mentioning how long I've been at new place, but it's coming along. Almost a complete blank slate, also in great need of rehabilitation. It's painful ultimately, bit I'd rather foster life than not. It's a kind of devotion, and of the deepest importance.
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You've changed your name again...
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28 MAR 21 by
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#6 of 15 posted
29 MAR 21 by
Smtysm
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...and thanks for your interest in my name. Not sure what you're saying is more appropriate. Not sure it's appropriate to opine on the appropriateness of names (unless obviously offensive). They're the remit of the user.
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29 MAR 21 by
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#10 of 15 posted
30 MAR 21 by
Smtysm
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Ah, I see :)
Thank you very much for the clarification. Phew :P
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29 MAR 21 by
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#11 of 15 posted
30 MAR 21 by
Smtysm
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Thanks. It's a slow, gradual process but always fulfilling. Latest, native violets into a side bed and attempting to help a Valencia orange by repotting. Thinking of renouncing custodianship so it can go into the ground somewhere and flourish. :'(
Truth is, the grief resounds down through time, mostly dormant, occasionally acute. From day to day, lots to enjoy. Heaps of bulbs! And a lavender that's gangbusters and chockas with bees. Thinking of expanding on that.
Wish I had space for big roses and olives! Good on you.
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30 MAR 21 by
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30 MAR 21 by
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May I kindly remind you both that this is a roses, clematis and peonies website. We haven’t yet branched out into lavender and bulbs.
You might like to take a look at the DONATIONS box sometime - on the left, near the top.
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30 MAR 21 by
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#5 of 15 posted
29 MAR 21 by
Smtysm
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..and thanks for your interest in my name
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