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Initial post 22 APR 21 by Michael Garhart
"The present invention relates to a new and distinct variety of rose plant of the hybrid tea class, which was originated by me by crossing the rose variety known as "Sunrise-Sunset" (U.S. Plant Pat. No. 3,244) which I have chosen to identify in my breeding records as No. 6651-12 with a rose variety known as "Peace" (U.S. Plant Pat. No. 591), the seedling No. 6651-12 being the seed parent and the pollen parent being the variety "Peace". As the result of this breeding, I have produced a new and improved rose variety distinguished from its parents, as well as from all other rose varieties of which I am aware, evidenced by the following unique combination of principal characteristics which are outstanding in the new variety:"

This means we know all of the roses found in Sunrise-Sunset, but the problem is that the roses found are listed in two different parental stackings.

Stacking 1: 'Tiffany' x (unnamed seedling x 'Happiness')

or Stacking 2: (Fandango × Roundelay) × (Happiness × Tiffany)


It would be funny if it was actually Tiffany x ((Fandango x Roundelay) x Happiness).

What a mess :] Different sources contradicting is never fun.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 22 APR 21 by Patricia Routley
So......can we presume?
if I replace the 1971 ‘Sunrise-Sunset’’s pollen parent of (Seedling x Happiness) with
the seed parent of the 1976 ‘Half Time’ which was
[ Fandango (hybrid tea, Swim, 1950) × Roundelay] × [ Happiness (Hybrid Tea. Meilland. 1949) × Tiffany (hybrid tea, Lindquist, 1953)]
that will fix it won’t it?
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 22 APR 21 by Michael Garhart
None of them for certain are correct, and there is no way of knowing which of the 3 are the exact match from the official records, but I think as long as al 4 roses are recorded it is "as good as it can get".

I do know that the Fandango x Roundelay part was used to make El Cid by the same breeder group in the same timeline, so that makes sense. Tiffany and Happiness have not been used in conjunction with any of these except in this lineage, so that is of no help. It looks like this set of breeders used this same concept over and over again (yellow blends crossed w/ red-orange and reds and warm reds x warm reds) for several decades, which is somewhat amusing.

McGredy eventually beat them with 'Olympiad' becoming the warm red standard, which is barely related to any of their work. And now with 'Love and Peace', bred directly from Peace, as the current yellow blend standard. Ouch lol.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 28 MAY 21 by bobby2525
After searching and searching. This is the only site that I have seen info on the half time rose. A friend of mine just had her mother pass. I’m her flower bed was a rose bush that was given to me. Upon digging it up a metal plant tag was on it that said weeksroses with the name half time. Being that I can’t find info on this rose I was curious on if this is a rare rose or any other I do on it.

Thank you
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 28 MAY 21 by Patricia Routley
Open the Plant Patent in the ‘Half Time’ page. There is often good information about the rose’s characteristics there.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 29 MAY 21 by Michael Garhart
Hi,

It used to be a common rose, now it's rare. A lot of roses in similar colors have superseded it. For example, Love and Peace.

Its a rather typical hybrid tea, that requires typical hybrid tea care for your area.
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