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Boronkay (Rose Garden Budatétény)
most recent 28 JAN 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 JAN 22 by Boronkay (Rose Garden Budatétény)
Seeing the photos, It seems to me that there are two different types! The first, in Sangerhausen is a real hybrid rugosa, but the second one, for example in Rosarium Petrovic or in Devonian Botanic Garden is the wild R. glauca. (?)
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 28 JAN 22 by Palustris
'Carmenetta' is very close to the species R. glauca and should not have rugosa like foliage or flowers. So I believe you are correct that the Sangerhausen rose in incorrectly labeled. I was happy to have 'Carmenetta' in my garden for a few years; I should find another.
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most recent 26 JAN 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 JAN 22 by Boronkay (Rose Garden Budatétény)
There is a letter from Sisley in 1881, he wrote he had received seed from Japan.
So I think that Jean Sisley had two types of R. multiflora from TWO sources. The wild type of Robert Fortune, which was planted in Lyon, and an ANOTHER semi-double from Francisque Coignet from japan directly. Probably both were called 'Polyatha'.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 26 JAN 22 by jedmar
Yes, we have the text of the latter as an 1881 reference. The history of the introduction of Rosa polyantha hort. is quite ambiguous and inconsistent. It is definitely possible that seeds were sent from Japan to Europe over a number of years. But of what? Rosa polyantha hort. in Europe seems to have gone extinct or is masquerading as a R. multiflora. It has not been found in modern Japan, either. We may get some answers only after genetic testing of the early Polyanthas.
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most recent 18 JAN 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 JAN 22 by Boronkay (Rose Garden Budatétény)
It is known as 'Erster Versuch' also.
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most recent 10 JAN 22 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 10 JAN 22 by Boronkay (Rose Garden Budatétény)
Does anyone know why 1664 is the year of the first mention? Was it a publication or a painting?
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