HELPMEFIND PLANTS COMMERCIAL NON-COMMERCIAL RESOURCES EVENTS PEOPLE RATINGS
|
|
|
CybeRose 
-
-
|
To be marketed by florists in the U.S. and Canada starting in November 2011. See,
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-worlds-first-blue-rose---blue-rose-applause-129790278.html
|
REPLY
|
|
100% blue pigmented petals, huh? I giggled a bit when I looked at the picture. Doesn't look any bluer to me than Neptune, Blue Girl, or Angel Face. They describe it as having a sweet smell, but methinks I smell something else going on.....
|
REPLY
|
|
I am more impressed with Japan's other mauve roses, which tend to look very ghost-like and romantic, than I am with this rose. It looks so harsh and ... "eh."
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#3 of 6 posted
28 APR 17 by
Plazbo
|
Personally I'd be interested to see what breeders could do with it, there's potential there to get far bluer than possible currently.
On the flip side though, given they know a large part of the issue is PH you'd think they'd do a bunch of testing to see if there are cultivars with a more appropriate PH and then either try the procedure again or cross with it rather than just leave it at a point that's already been achieved (or beaten). It's lack of marketting makes me suspicious though.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#4 of 6 posted
3 MAY 19 by
CybeRose
|
Breed Sci. 2018 Jan; 68(1): 79–87.
Published online 2018 Feb 17.
Recent advances in the research and development of blue flowers
Naonobu Noda*
"... the research group of Suntory and Florigene developed blue roses by genetic engineering (Katsumoto et al. 2007). Roses that have petals with a high flavonol content and relatively high pH—traits that are considered to be suitable for blue color development—were selected for gene introduction. Among various F3′5′H genes, the pansy F3′5′H gene was found to be effective for producing delphinidin-based anthocyanins in roses. In addition, a Torenia gene encoding anthocyanin 5-aromatic acyltransferase was introduced with pansy F3′5′H, which enabled acylation of anthocyanin with an aromatic organic acid, and the world’s first blue rose, Suntory blue rose Applause was created."
Maybe it is more impressive in person. Otherwise, I think I'd prefer to work with cultivars that are not patented inside as well as out.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#5 of 6 posted
4 MAY 19 by
jedmar
|
With all the work they did, it is still not "blue" as claimed
|
REPLY
|
|
Suntory is a MASSIVE corporation in Japan. It is plausible that this was more about proof of concept (genetic manipulation) for other parts of their industry, their stocks, and whatever else they were trying to boost at the time.
|
REPLY
|
-
-
|
The name 'Gold of Ophir' has sometimes been used for the Noisette 'Ophirie'.
|
REPLY
|
-
-
Initial post
19 OCT 07 by
Unregistered Guest
|
I also would like to (urgently) know more about this rose! To what zone has this been successfully grown? (I am in Western Maryland, in a mountainous region with many niches ranging through Zone 6a, 6b and 5. The garden is full-sun, south-facing, protected by the house to the north ...I believe I am in the zone 6 range.) Has anyone in my zone/region successfully grown this as a tall climber? Does this rose tend to bleach out considerably with full sun, or does it retain the pink/gold coloration? Is the foliage lush and healthy or is it sparse? How long and how prolific is the bloom time, etc? I am looking for a romantic tall climber of this coloration to wrap around the columns and arch over my wrap-around porch. Ideally, I am looking for a plant that will reach 15 to 20 feet, have foliage that looks nice when the plant is not blooming and have glowing yellow and pink blooms. I am almost to the point of giving up and settling for a tall pink climber like Cecile Brunner or New Dawn that is reliable but not so exciting to me (I really like the yellow mixed in) or looking for a prolific, tall red climber. Any suggestions, comments? (suggestions on tall, prolific red climbers also welcomed!) Thanks very much, all suggestions welcomed! Cynthia
|
REPLY
|
|
This rose is a hooker (leaps out and grabs passers-by). Don't plant it anywhere near your house or a path! Ditto New Dawn. It would be worth asking a local nurseryman about Crepuscule in your district.
|
REPLY
|
|
Rosa dumalis is just like that, each curved prickle perfectly angled like a miniature sickle that will rake a bloody furrow at the slightest provocation.
|
REPLY
|
|
I had a similar problem with R. wichuraiana poteriifolia. Tiny little hooks. I had the plant in a pot on a wall. Somehow the slightest breeze sent the wiry canes right at me. And sometimes no breeze, I 'm sure. Mean little critter.
Rose growing is not for sissies.
|
REPLY
|
|
Yes!
Wichurana 'Thornless' has the same issues, no prickles on the stems, but prickles on the underside of the leaves are vicious!
|
REPLY
|
|
Today I have my third weekly appointment to check the dressing on a ‘Laure Davoust’ inflicted slice on my leg when I took the mower a little too close to the rose. It won’t stop me from loving roses, but it does remind me to take more care.
|
REPLY
|
|
Years ago, I was visiting the Heritage Rose Garden in San Jose. I stopped to sniff 'Penelope', one of my favorite Hybrid Musks, when I saw a plump hip that was just out of reach from above. I crawled under the large bush, grabbed what I wanted, then pulled back just a little too quickly. That's how I got an impressively large thorn stuck in the back of my head, just below the skull. I moved forward a bit, and much more cautiously, and got unhooked. Somehow I lost interest in hip collecting for the rest of the afternoon.
|
REPLY
|
|
These are reasons why I've been obsessed with creating smooth roses for years and have submitted many beauties for trial. Invariably they were shot down for one reason or another. don't fare as well in cold storage for some reason but with production methods going toward own-root production this should be less of an issue.
IF the public made smoothness a priority the market would respond.
I still have a bone to pick with HMF since truly smooth roses cannot be identified here.
In my opinion, going forward, HMF should attempt to list grades of smoothness, or lack thereof.
Roses are always evolving and there is no reason whatsoever the future should include the horrors of being sliced alive in perpetuity.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#9 of 9 posted
26 SEP by
Lee H.
|
By the end of the growing season, I’ve become so insensitive to prickles, that unless one gets me in the face, I hardly notice. Recently, I found my wife fretting over our dog, who apparently was tracking bloody paw prints over the house. Turned out that I’d tangled with one of my babies, and blood was dripping down my arm, unbeknownst to me. The dog had only stepped in it.
And no, she didn’t fret over me; quite the opposite, actually ;-)
|
REPLY
|
|
FDYC is generally thought to be a tea or even gigantea hybrid and, alas, likely not hardy colder than one 7. Howsomever, wait another 2-4 yrs. and you might find you are in that zone, LOL.
Have you considered any of the newer Kordes climbers, among which there seem to be some quite nice yellow and goldish cultivars? If it were me, I would of course plant my two yellow climbing faves, 'Cl. Sun Flare' and 'Golden Celebration', but neither of those is pinkish. Another fave is 'Polka', for the color you want, but I don't know how well it could be trained.
If you want a single rose, Austin's 'Morning Mist' might suit. I've not grown or seen it, but it is said to grow tall, pix show a large, color changing flower. I, myself, am not a fan of 'Westerland', but it does have a large following and is not hard to source. I seem to recall that John Clemons introduced at least one climber in the colors you want. Maybe check the Heirloom website.
|
REPLY
|
-
-
|
Apparently, 'Bengale à grandes feuilles' (L. Noisette) is not the same as Cartier's 'Bengale cent feuilles'.
Dictionnaire des roses: ou, Guide général du rosiériste, Volume 1 page 149 (1885)
By Max Singer
Bengale à grandes feuilles. L. Noisette. Arbrisseau vigoureux, à rameaux droits et glauques, armés d'aiguillons nombreux, violets, larges à la base, crochus; folioles allongées, planes, un peu dentées, très larges et d'un vert foncé; fleurs réunies au nombre de trois à cinq, en bouquets terminaux, doubles, d'un rose tendre lors de l'épanouissement, puis carmin, et enfin passant au pourpre foncé.
Google Translation: Vigorous shrub, with straight, glaucous branches, armed with numerous, violet spines, broad at the base, hooked; leaflets elongate, flat, slightly dentate, very broad, and dark green; flowers united in number from three to five, in terminal bouquets, double, of a soft pink at the time of blooming, then carmine, and finally turning to dark purple.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#1 of 3 posted
9 NOV 17 by
jedmar
|
Yes, that is quite possible. The synonymity seems to come from the "Old Rose Advisor". I would collect some more references to be sure, then separate.
|
REPLY
|
Reply
#2 of 3 posted
10 NOV 17 by
CybeRose
|
I am looking for a source that lists both, but so far no luck.
The color is different, though. According to Redoute, the Bengale Cent feuille flowers were a little darker than those of R. Indica vulgaris (Parsons' Pink?). To the contrary, the sources I've found state that the Grandes Feuilles had flowers that changed from pale to dark.
Also, it is odd to find detailed descriptions in the 1830s and 1840s of a rose that had been around since before 1804.
I'll keep looking.
|
REPLY
|
|
The 1st edition of The Old Rose Advisor offered the synonymy between 'Bengale Centfeuilles' and 'Bengale à Grandes Feuilles' with a question mark, and the 2nd edition of The Old Rose Advisor abandoned any synonymy.
|
REPLY
|
|
|
