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I read somewhere that Moore budded multiple copies of a cv on one cane of 'Pink Clouds'. Once the buds had made some growth, the cane was cut into suitable lengths and each cutting rooted.
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They're called, "stentlings".
It's a common form of propagation of roses. There is lots of info online about it.
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23 APR 19 by
CybeRose
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Robert,
Thanks for the info. I've been reading about "stenting", but it seems to be a bit different from what I recall Moore writing (I don't have the source, so I may be wrong).
Stenting, as I've read, involves rooting the stock while the graft union is healing. This is different from the old (19th century) practice of budding, waiting for healing, and then layering or taking cuttings.
Vibert budded China roses to new growth on a stool of Rosa reversa, then layered the shoot after the bud had begun to "push".
Variations on this theme borrow some of the "strength" of the mature stock, rather than relying on the nutrients available in the cutting.
Karl
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variations on a theme...yes, as long as it works.
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21 FEB by
 zlesak
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My rose breeding mentor Elton Strack followed Ralph Moore's method of budding, healing, and then cuttings. I am concerned about virus and like to stent with first severing the rootstock and then grafting and then rooting so I don't inadvertently get my main rootstock plant infected from one dirty scion.
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[Named for Edgley, PA - not Edgely]
Everblooming Roses for the Out-door Garden of the Amateur pp. 53-54 (1912)
EVERBLOOMING HYBRID REMONTANT ROSES
Georgia Torrey Drennan
The only other sport of this exclusive family is the Queen of Edgley, or Pink American Beauty. In 1897, in a house devoted to American Beauties by the Floral Exchange Company of Philadelphia, at Edgley, Pennsylvania, fortune unexpectedly came to the rose growers in the form of an American Beauty, except in a distinct shade of pink, without a tinge of red. It was entered and won the Gold Medal at the Rose Show. The name of Queen of Edgley was conferred on it, but Pink American Beauty is the name by which it is best known. The colour is lighter than Caroline Testout, and deeper than La France. During the flush of its brief beauty, it fills an honoured position among the roses of winter and in out-door gardens in springtime, is a rose of imperial beauty.
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But the actual name of the town is Edgely, not Edgley. See, for instance, Google Maps.
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Catalogue of Ornamental Trees and Shrubs, Herbaceous and Greenhouse Plants, cultivated and for sale
by Thomas Hogg, Nurseryman and Florist, at the New-York Botanic Garden in Broadway. (1834) p. 4
Stadtholder
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Journal des Roses (April 1880) p. 52
Suivant des notes qui nous ont été adressées par M. Margottin père, l'habile rosiériste de Bourg la Reine, la magnifique variété de rose la Reine dont nous avons publié la gravure dans notre dernier numéro, vient d'un semis de graines provenant d'un rosier non remontant, nommé Attala.
Following notes that have been sent by Mr. Margottin father, the clever rosiériste of Bourg-la-Reine, the magnificent rose variety la Reine which we published in our last issue engraving, just sowing of seeds from a non-remontant rose, called Attala.
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At the time of the release of Laffay's 'La Reine', Margottin was not yet introducing roses; and yet, the timing is just right for a young Margottin to be interested in the parents of famous roses while he amped up for raising his own varieties, so it makes sense that he could have contacted Laffay, querying the parentage of 'La Reine', and so found out this information. The non-remontant 'Attala' referred to is presumably the Agathe/Damask 'Attala' (delicate pink) of -1829 from Delaâge or (and which might be the same) the circa 1825 Agathe/Damask/Gallica 'Atala' (flesh) from Garilland. If this were the seed parent, one would be tempted to guess that a bee provided pollen from a nearby Bourbon.
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How does that suggested parentage, once blooming Attala with a repeat blooming, one supposes, Bourbon, produce a remontant rose? Would not one expect an intermediate step, seedling of the above crossing pollinated in turn by another repeat blooming rose?
BTW, Mr. Dickerson, I am now the pleased and happy owner of your recent book on the early floribundas.
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Adhering to classical theory, yes, you would be absolutely correct concerning expectations. But the thing is, one never knows if the supposed Agathe/Damask/Gallica might have had, say, a Quatre-Saisons slip into the ancestry at some point, so anything can happen.
Thanks so much about my Floribunda book! That was one which I hadn't planned on writing at all; but one day when I was shopping the older Floribundas and trying to understand it all, I found that, on consulting "the usual suspects" in rose books, I was just getting the same old vagueries about the early years, and very little even of that. Situations like this make me say, "OK, I'll fix that" (that's how I started writing about Old Roses to begin with); and so I decided to take things in hand and "tame the frontier" myself. Don't forget to check out the URLs on the book's copyright page for illustrations of many of the roses in the book.
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