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'HARregale' rose Reviews & Comments
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I fell in love with the color of this rose last season and planted 3 at the back of my border. Regretfully this year, I am digging them up, because they have ALREADY outgrown their space. The nursery had sold them to me as a 3' by 3' plant, and it is listed in England as that size as well. But in warm climates this rose gets to be DOUBLE the size. Peter Schneider says it will get to 6' by 8' and that's in Ohio! Clair Martin (in his book 100 English Roses for the American Garden) also lists it as capable of reaching 6' by 8' in a warm climate. I will grow this rose one day when I have a larger property; for now I am contenting myself with other purple/wine-toned roses and the addition of Kim Rupert's Purple Buttons to my garden, which is the pint-sized offspring of Cardinal Hume!
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Why, thank you, Claire! I'm pleased you are going to grow Purple Buttons, but sad you can't grow Cardinal Hume. I imported Hume from Harkness over twenty years ago, when it was one of their new introductions. It's a great rose! Might you be able to keep one of them and use it either as a background filler shrub, or train it on a fence or arch as a climber? I've discovered this rose will root with ease. And, it accepts any bud I've ever tried to bud on to it. I made a four foot tree rose of Baby Faurax by rooting a four foot stem of Cardinal Hume, then budding four buds of Baby Faurax on the top. The tree is easily fifteen years old and is gorgeous! Most of the time, when you buy a tree rose, it has two buds of the rose you wish budded for the head. I put four buds in and all have flourished.
Usually, violet colored roses become quite chlorotic in our Southern California alkaline soils and water. Cardinal Hume has never shown any chlorosis for me, nor have any of the roses I've ever budded on it. Baby Faurax is notorious in highly alkaline soils for having white leaves with nearly white flowers. Not on a trunk of Cardinal Hume!
If you can utilize it as a climber, or even self pegged so you can get the laterals for increased bloom, and then use them as root stock cuttings, I think you can have the best of both worlds, and a lot of fun! Ralph Moore budded a two foot tree rose of Purple Buttons for my birthday one year. That was beautiful! And, just think, if you have both roses, YOU can do the same. Think about it. You'll have a lot more options keeping at least one Cardinal Hume.
It's a shame we have so many repeats of European rose facts, isn't it? From David Austin rose sizes, to ones like this. Specifications, like some roses, just don't translate well into longer growing seasons. Too bad.
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Kim, I am intrigued at the idea of growing Cardinal Hume as a climber. Why not? It is already throwing out tons of climber-esque canes. But do I cut off many (most?) of the canes at the base, in order for the remaining ones to be trained upwards? There is a photo on pg. 33 of the Jan 06 issue of American Rose, where Cardinal Hume has been trained up a lamp post so that it resembles a tree. That would be cool--and totally feasible for the back of my garden border. How would I go about it, though?
I am excited at the idea of being able to keep one of my Cardinal H's. If I can grow it UPWARDS instead of OUTWARDS, then my border can accomodate it. A win-win!
PS: I have a couple of Baby Faurax's. So your idea of combining the two roses (Card H. & Baby F.) may come to pass one day...
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Growing Cardinal Hume as a climber is easy, Claire! Determine what canes already grow near where you want them, and, if you can't accommodate the others, either try training them where you want them or cut them down to an eye which should grow where you can use it. You may even begin rooting some of the wood you're going to remove for eventual root stock. You're going to need some with which to practice. Most of us make the mistake of waiting until the last minute to get ready for projects that should be undertaken after preparation.
It's like the person who waits until the day before an extensive trip before buying a new, complicated camera. The camera will take getting used to, learning how to use it, becoming familiar with its workings and idiosyncracies. That person is destined to return home with little to show for their trip and new camera. If you begin rooting pieces of Cardinal Hume now, you'll have rooted stocks to practice budding on. When you want to make your tree, or when something neat comes along you'd love to grow but may not be able to buy ready to plant, you'll have the experience budding and the root stock available upon which to bud. Yes, it really is a win-win. You get to keep one of the Humes, you'll have things upon which to practice and bud, and you'll have them all faster than you would otherwise.
The canes near the base don't necessarily have to be completely removed. Take a look at where the buds are low down on them. If any of them point in the direction you need coverage, prune above that bud, or those buds and train the new growth into the hole. It's easy, honest! And, the best part is it's really logical. You'll see it once you start looking at it with "new eyes", and you're on your way to having them! Kim
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29 DEC 14 by
styrax
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To expand on Kims point, you could just train it very upright. I do this w/ knock out against a wall. I left only 2 basal breaks and made trunks out of them, like a crude raised (branches start 3 ft up instead of immediate my) rose espalier. By getting new growth from the trunk every now and again, I contained a rambunctious rose in a compact, productive and amusing shape for 5 yrs.
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Cardinal Hume-ungous? sorry couldn't resist
Just got mine from RVR and planted 5 feet from new Alba Semi Plena it would be fun to see the deep mauve near the white if they happen to bloom together
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Claire.........
You will love growing 'Purple Buttons'. It's one of my favorite roses in my garden.
Smiles,
Lyn
helpmefind.com
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Extremely poor blackspot resistance. Cannot be grown without regular fungicide applications, IMO. Very disappointing.
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Cardinal Hume is really an interesting rose. When the temps are hot, it gets many more petals than when the temps are cool. I don't know any other rose that does this.
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