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27 FEB 19 by
lbuzzell
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The rose we've been given of 'Shadow Dancer' also has large round orange hips, which I don't see mentioned anywhere.
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today by
 Ms.Lefty
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This would make sense to me, as its parents are "Dortmund" and a seedling of "Dortmund."
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7 NOV 20 by
Viviane SCHUSSELE
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Entre 176 et 223, Cécile de Rome dite Sainte Cécile, patronne des musiciens
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17 APR 24 by
Ms.Lefty
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J'ai été nommé pour elle !
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#2 of 2 posted
today by
Ms.Lefty
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Mon père était musicien et a insisté pour que sa première fille s'appelle Cécilia. Je suis musicien aussi.
My father was a musician and insisted on naming his first daughter Cecilia. I am a musician, too.
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yesterday by
Banshee
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I'm writing this to explain why I happened to choose Banshee as my HMF ID.
This is the only rose that survived from my original 2001 rose garden. Over 30 years ago a friend and I found it in an old cellar hole in New Hampshire. I brought a cutting and flower to Mike Lowe of Lowe's Roses in Nashua. He said it had three names. The Loyalist, Banshee, and American Rose. It was brought to Canada by Scottish loyalists, therefore the name The Loyalist.
I'm quoting from an article about The Loyalist rose:
The Camerons, the MacLeods, and the Loyalist Rose
by Major George D. (Duff) Mitchell, MC, CD, UE
Legend has it that the Loyalist Rose originated in the Damascus region of today’s Syria and was brought to Britain by Crusaders in the 11th Century. Identified as “Maiden’s Blush” of the Rosa Alba family it appeared in Renaissance paintings and is described as “a cupped, very double fragrant pale pink rose fading almost to white, bushy, densely branched, blooming well in June.
Ethel (Campbell) MacLeod (1914-1978) delved into the history of their ancient rose and first garnered publicity for its Loyalist aspect in the National Geographic Magazine when its lengthy article,”The Loyalists,” featured a picture of the couple’s Loyalist rose in April 1975.She registered “The Loyalist Rose” with the International Registration Authority for Roses. She then donated it to The United Empire Loyalists’ Association of Canada to mark the BI-Centennial of the American Revolution and the coming of the Loyalists to Canada.
Online photos of Banshee don't look like this rose - all but one, that is. I've subsequently purchased a rose from High Country Roses that they call Banshee High Country because they say rosarians in Denver think it's something else. They didn't identify the Denver rosarian so if anyone has any info please comment. I just planted it this year, so it hasn't bloomed yet.
The HMF photo of Maiden's Blush is a much darker pink than my rose. I also just purchased and planted two roses called Maiden's Blush from Fedco Trees in Maine. It will be interesting to see how they compare.
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yesterday by
Nastarana
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I have two plants of "High Country Banshee". I strongly suspect, but cannot prove, that HCB is the same rose, also found in Denver, called "Graveyard Alba". GA was grown by one Cheryl Netter, who posted her spectacular photos online, though not on HMF.
I also grow "Jeremiah Pink", sourced from High Country Roses, and stated by some to be "Banshee".
Neither is the same as 'Great Maiden's Blush'. I personally consider HCB to be an alba hybrid, which grows in a rather non alba fashion. It throws out loong canes, rather like a large flowered rambler.
Contrary to what HCR states, I do not think JP is an alba. I question whether it has any canina genes in it. The foliage is different, tending to a lighter, grass green color, and the growth habit, in my zone 5 garden is yuuge. JP takes up space, far more than any alba I have seen. It is definitely a back of the border fence rose.
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today by
jedmar
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In the 2001 study of Found roses in Sweden and neighbouring countries, the rose known as "Banshee" or "Mustialanruusu" or Rosa suionum Almq. resp. 'Minette' was named 'Belle Cathérine' based on its commercial introduction in 1918 under that name. The DNA profile made with 6 markers established a 68% similarity with the Damasks 'Kazanlik' and 'Quatre Saisons'.
A summary of the findings is found under the listing "Mustialanruusu". We have added a short reference to "Banshee" in order to link these up.
The various photos of 'Banshee' in your post can all be found on page 181 of the abovementioned book: this rose seems to be very variable in its appearance!
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5 days ago by
Bug_girl
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This rose roots easily and grows well and vigorously on its own roots. My cutting is 2 years old and in bloom almost constantly during the season.
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4 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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Most Forty-niners are virused. I don't think I've ever seen a clean one. If you have a virus free clone you're very fortunate to find it.
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2 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Mine came from an 80 year old rose garden. Not saying 49er was there that long but another rose or two were. This also depends on if I've ID'd it correctly. Sure looks like 49er to me! I took the cutting and rooted it myself. If you have any suggestions for what else it might be, please advise.
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#3 of 9 posted
2 days ago by
Bug_girl
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And mine shown no sign of mosaic virus yet!
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#4 of 9 posted
2 days ago by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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The timing sounds about right to find a clean specimen of Forty-niner, and it certainly could have lived that long unmolested.
Your photos are still atypical.
We may have to think about it a bit and possibly bring in some of the more experienced OGR people in order to identify. We have to remember that many of the roses of this period were closely related.
Hopefully other will chime in.
I asked Kim to look at your photos and he agrees they are not typical.
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#5 of 9 posted
2 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Excellent! I would really like an ID that is accurate. I was trained in entomology and not roses, but I'm pretty good at ID if I have a good key. I will say that the heat definitely affects the coloration of my roses. There are times that this rose looks just like one I ID'd as Condessa de Sastago. (If anyone wants to take a whack at authenticating its identity, I'd love that too.) If you need any other pictures, a cutting, etc. please let me know. I have begun to love pernetianas and everything that looks like them. My ultimate goal is to help rescue roses, starting with those I find in my older neighborhood that are at risk of extinction due to no longer being in commercial propagation. Correctly identifying them is pretty important so I welcome all feedback. Can you tell me the parts that are "atypical" so I can apply that to my knowledge base? I would like to one day make a dichotomous key for IDing some of these roses so anyone could figure them out, but that's probably a bigger project than I could ever do.
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#6 of 9 posted
yesterday by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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See pictures posted from SJHRG, or older illustrations for typical coloration
Yes, temperature affects color, but in my experience, to the degree illustrated in your photos.
Gregg Lowery is likely the best resource for identifying your variety.
Many of us have known this variety for along time.
The fact that it's easy to propagate without budding is another clue it's not correct.
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#7 of 9 posted
yesterday by
Bug_girl
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I had ChatGPT analyze what I knew about it with some images and draft a "dossier" as it called it. It even gave it a cute found rouse name. I didn't know that 49er was hard to propagate. Thank you for the response. I can email a copy of the report or copy and paste here but it would be a little longish.
Thank you so much for the help!!!
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#8 of 9 posted
yesterday by
Bug_girl
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I will move the pictures to a journal entry so they don't cause confusion with known 49er images.
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#9 of 9 posted
yesterday by
Robert Neil Rippetoe
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There's a good chance your rose is something more modern.
Don't be surprised if you never come up with a satisfactory answer. There are those that search for the true identity to roses they've found for years. In some cases they assign a new study name and enjoy it none the less.
You'll find many roses posted that way at HMF.
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