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15 JUL by
eor
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Unidentified Coral Hybrid Tea or Floribunda
Dear all,
Looking for help identifying a rose, which was already well established when I purchased my home in Ireland, a property dating back over a century. It appears to be an own-root plant, with no visible graft union, and has likely thrived for many decades with little intervention.
The rose produces coral-red pointed buds which open into elegant, high-centred cups. At its best, the bloom holds this classic hybrid tea form for just two to three days, after which it begins to reflex and flatten, eventually revealing a dense cluster of bright yellow stamens at the centre. The petals at this stage begin to fade irregularly into tones of peach and white, with a speckled or patchy appearance as the bloom declines.
The scent is subtle but unmistakable—a true rose fragrance, redolent of rosewater rather than citrus or spice. It blooms in great profusion throughout the summer months, often sending up a new flush within weeks of deadheading. The plant produces a dense thicket of upright canes emerging directly from the soil, suggesting an own-root origin rather than grafted stock.
I would be grateful for any assistance in identifying the variety or origin of this rose, or for suggestions on conservation and propagation. Its hardiness, scent, and repeated flowering make it a remarkable survivor—one I believe deserves to be named, if possible.
— Edward, Dublin, Ireland
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You might look at, 'Elizabeth of Glamis', AKA 'Irish Beauty'.
Best wishes, Robert
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#2 of 3 posted
16 JUL by
eor
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Many thanks for your response, Robert.
I think you're spot on here. That's great to know, and probably puts the rose in the region of 50+ years blooming.
Thanks again,
Edward.
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#3 of 3 posted
16 JUL by
 HubertG
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Also maybe check out 'Vogue'. The distinctive bud shape in your first photo appears very similar to those in the patent photo here of 'Vogue'.
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The latest edition of American Rose, July/August 2024, contains a most interesting article about roses in Romania, by Angela Bokor. Judging from the photos of lavish public gardens, Romania would seem to have a near perfect climate for roses. Reference is made to a species "endemic to the Cozia Mountains", 'Rosa coziae', pg. 29. There is a picture on the same page, 29, which shows a semidouble partly opened pink rose with long sepals and either mossing or bristles. Is this species perhaps known to HMF under some other name?
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#1 of 1 posted
18 AUG by
jedmar
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We have now added Rosa coziae. There seem to be differing opinions on botanists whether this is a species or not. Some have it as a synonym of Rosa villosa L. Considering that the 1955 naming is not a valid publication, it should probably be regarded as one of the many local subspecies of Rosa villosa L.
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Purchased a bare root rose that was sold as 'Caribbean'. At this point I'm pretty sure this must have been mislabeled. I am quite disappointed that it likely isn't 'caribbean' as I was looking forward to growing it. Also, Caribbean seems quite hard to come across. Has anyone experienced coloring of Caribbean like in my photo or am I looking at something else?
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Caribbean is a very cleanly colored apricot-orange with a lemon reverse. It also has unique curves to its petals.
The color of this rose is similar to Granada and Mardi Gras, but it is not those. Sorry that I don't know which rose you have.
It kind of looks like Givenchy, but the foliage might be different.
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#4 of 7 posted
10 JUL 24 by
Ihwayne
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Thanks for your help. At this point I'm pretty sure it's Love and Peace. A very nice rose but not what I was excited for. It wouldn't be a huge deal but Caribbean is so uncommon that I can't seem to find it anywhere. I'd gladly pay way more than I did to get an actual Caribbean. Thanks and cheers!
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Yes, my current Caribbean is from RU. My original one from the 90s was from Edmunds. They're identical as far as I can tell.
The rose in the photo is not Love and Peace. I have 3 of them. It's bolt upright in classic chrome yellow edged red-pink. They are really large, and so is the foliage. The foliage is very glossy, full, dark green, and the leaflets are rounded. The stems are not bendy. The eventual bloom fade is light yellow overlaid heavily in a darker chrome red-pink that sunbleaches at the top of the petal face arch.
The foliage in the photo alone is not Love and Peace. I wish it was so that this was case closed, but its not. I'm sorry.
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'Caribbean' HT is available this year from Roses Unlimited for $30. IDK if RU is shipping now as they had their summer sale last month, but you could always call or email.
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#7 of 7 posted
11 JUL 24 by
Ihwayne
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Thanks for the heads up. I actually emailed them last week. They said the don't know if they'll have it for 2025. Fingers crossed!
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Mislabeled roses are unfortunately very common. I haven’t seen Carribean for sale in the US for at least a dozen years. Who was the bareroot vendor or distributor.? Often you can figure out who you really have by looking at that vendors catalog and looking especially at those plants that are nearby alphabetically. For example, I got a big box store rose labeled Fragrant Plum this year that turned out to actually be Fragrant Cloud.
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#3 of 7 posted
10 JUL 24 by
Ihwayne
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It was actually sold at Walmart this year in body bags. I was really excited to find it. Unfortunately Walmart and mislabels go hand in hand. This is actually my 2nd mislabel from Walmart this year. I bought what was supposed to be Medallion and it ended up being a yellow rose, probably gold medallion.
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Does HMF have a listing for R. hemispherica, the large double yellow mentioned by Clusius in Hortiae Germaniae of 1526? I find this rose mentioned in Old Garden Roses, by Bunyard, p.38 and 52. It can also be seen in some early flower paintings.
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Is it R. hemisphaerica before 1516, you want? The spelling might be tripping things up.
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Found it. Thank you. Pix look just like the old paintings. I am surprised so few have tried breeding with it.
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#3 of 3 posted
21 OCT 23 by
Lee H.
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It is beautiful. I suspect many have tried, but few have succeeded.
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