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Initial post 2 days ago by mmanners
This rose appears to be identical to Abbott and Burns Family Rose.
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Initial post 7 days ago by Hamanasu
I love ‘New Zealand’ for its beautifully formed flowers, attractive foliage and distinctive sweet scent but it seems to have become very susceptible to blackspot in Britain. I no longer grow it. I tried ‘Sugar moon’, which is a close descendant, but the scent is nowhere near as refined as in NZ and I hated the thick, graceless stems supporting flowers lacking the delicacy of its progenitor. Then I discovered that ‘Titanic’ is a direct descendant of NZ and CK Jones describes the tea scent as stunning. So I had to try it. The scent on the first bloom is not at at all tea-like, but very strong and sweet, and similar in quality to the linden/lonicera periclymenum scent of NZ. I’m thrilled, and hope the plant will show better disease resistance than NZ.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 6 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I hope you'll follow up with your evaluation. I find it interesting. Thank you, Robert
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 2 days ago by Hamanasu
Thank you. Here’s an update. After a few days I cut the first bloom, which was becoming crowded all round by other developing buds in the same cluster, and put it in a vase inside the house. The scent indoors is very strong and rather like the classical fragrance of well scented crimson hybrid teas (which the literature often describes as damask, though to my mind that’s a misnomer, as the scent of true damask roses is much sweeter). The foliage on Titanic is much coarser than in New Zealand — hopefully more disease resistant, though.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 days ago by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Yes, disease resistance is what I'm curious about.

I'm currently growing, 'Easy Spirit', which has relatively little fragrance. I'm trying to decide whether to let it go.

Thanks for the update.

Robert
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Initial post 21 MAY 11 by anonymous-685482
Can anyone tell me where I can find this rose (Gay Debutante)? I'm the grandson of the discoverer and would really like to have it.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 2 days ago by fireman32653
Sadly I can't help you find the actual rose, but I can share with you a rose tag I found with my metal detector at a site that used to be a nursery.
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Initial post 3 days ago by Unregistered Guest
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