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Could someone here provide some background on the found rose, Dr M D Hinman? Thank you! -Gregg Lowery
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Nothing in the references, but the "legacy of" part of the name sounded familiar, and so I checked the photos, and found the caption below. There are several rose photos associated with the caption. Hope this helps.
"Found rose called "Dr. Hinman's Yellow Climber", thought to be Chromatella. April 3 2010, Sacramento Historic Rose Garden."
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Thanks very much for your help. I'll have a conversation with Anita Clevenger and see if she can get the story of that collection of the rose. It would be good to have the information on this page. I expect that many of the found roses are having a difficult time being uploaded to HMF because the original discoverers have not posted information. Cheers, Gregg
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Sadly, HMF has far too many found rose records that are less complete than they could be. I hope you can find out more to share with us...
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I will share whatever I can find out with this thread, and I hope it will be worthy information.
Thank you for helping me out!
Gregg
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I was checking to see what other roses are "legacy of", and noticed that we have another record for this rose, and Mel Hulse left a note in Feb. 2007 saying that the rose was "found in the El Dorado Hills Cemetery".
I wonder how certain people are about the 'Chromatella' ID. If there is unanimity, I should merge the records, but if there is doubt, perhaps I should move the photos out of the 'Chromatella' record.
Virginia
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In early rose references, there are many cases of hybrid roses with China ancestry being referred to as Hybrid Chinas or Hybrides de Bengales. Breeders of the early 19th century tried crossing many kinds of roses with China roses in hopes of producing roses that rebloomed, and 'Hybrid China'/ 'Hybride de Bengale' was often meant very literally, and did not yet refer to the once-blooming gallica x China hybrids that we now use those phrases for.
Keeping this in mind, it seems likely that 'Ayez' could be both a Hybrid Sempervirens *and* a Hybrid China. In the same way, a number of Boursault roses were also described as Hybrid Chinas, and I think Laffay's 'Amadis' is a good example of where we have one rose with two different records because of our modern notions of what 'Hybrid China' means. Similarly, some early references refer to Tea varieties as hybrid Chinas.
I am agnostic about whether 'Ayez' is a synonym of 'Spectabile', but I think it's quite likely that they both have Sempervirens and China ancestors.
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Neither parent is listed (in respective entries) as being thornless (prickle-free). Is this an oversight, or is neither in fact thornless?
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It isn't an over sight. No one who has reported on either parent has mentioned their lack of prickles, hence, nothing about that characteristic has been stated.
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Still waiting for the following gardens, which I have both photos and a list of their roses to be added:
Bushey Rose Garden
Southsea Rose Garden
The Rose Garden of Dummer House
Also the Colin Dickson rose, Gardeners Choice, which has been introduced by Allensmore Nursery.
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