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Discussion id : 12-725 most recent 3 JUL 06 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 20 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103823

I have this beautiful white rose, it gets about 1,80 meters high and spreads a wonderful rosy fragrance. At first the flowers are slightly pink, but once they are fully open, they are pure white. I would love to know the name of the rose.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 17 posted 20 JUN 06 by Jody

This looks like a Shailer's White Moss. The buds are sometimes pink and I read it is known to convert to the pink form. parentage is Centifolia Muscosa Alba (which is pink) and White Bath.Is it very thorny? The photo I have looks like it is very thorny.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 17 posted 20 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hello Jody,Thank you for your swift response, but it isn't "Shailer's White Moss". The rosebuds of my rose are more pointy, and the flowers have less petals. It has hardly any thorns, only small ones at the downside of the "branches" of the green leaves.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 17 posted 20 JUN 06 by Jody

Hi please let us know if you figure out what it is. I have a book which shows buds but I can't find any matching the correct description to your rose. Good Luck!!!!.	REPLY

Reply #4 of 17 posted 30 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Jody,Could you look in your "budsbook" if it is a kind of Schneewittchen?THNX!Marloes	REPLY

Reply #5 of 17 posted 30 JUN 06 by Jody

Hi Marloes, do you mean Iceberg?. I think in Europe it is called Schneewittchen. In the US it is called Iceberg. If this is what you mean, the buds are not so pointy. it looks similar to yours but not the same flower. Close though. Jody are you in Europe?	REPLY

Reply #7 of 17 posted 1 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Jody,Yes, I'm in Europe. In the Netherlands, to be precise.I think you are right with Iceberg. At least, searching the web, I found out that the same rose can have many names. It turns out that Schneewittchen and Frau Karl Druschki (german), Iceberg (american) and Fée des Neiges (french) are all the same rose!! And who knows, perhaps there are other names as well.And when I look at Fée des Neiges (cl.) on this site, there is 1 photo with rosebuds matching mine.So I decide I have an Iceberg in my garden.Thank you for taking the effort. What is the name of your book?Marloes

Reply #8 of 17 posted 1 JUL 06 by Wendy C

I grow both Frau Karl Druschki and Iceberg. The only thing these roses have in common is they were both bred in Germany. Two different centuries, two different breeders, separate classes. Your rose look more like Frau Karl to me. Best of Luck	REPLY

Reply #10 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Wendy,I thought Iceberg and FKD are the same, because http://www.druschke.dk/links1.htm says so: Frau Druschkis rose eller Schneewitchen, fremavlet af Karl Druschki, som ifølge familietraditionen har forbindelse til Druschke-slægten. Translation: "Frau Druschki's rose or Schneewittchen, etc. It can't be a FKD however, since my rose smells like a rose. And FKD is scentless.So I still vote for Iceberg. Also because on the photos FKD shows single roses, and mine blooms in groups of 2 - 8 roses at the same time.

Reply #15 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Wendy C

This picture much more resembles Iceberg. The first pic looked too heavily petaled for Iceberg. Strange how they can change so in appearance as the blooms open. My Iceberg plants have been typical shrubs in that they are free branching and spreading, whereas FKD is more upright on sometimes arching canes.

Some roses, like Peace, have so many names it is crazy. Then there is the long list of different roses with a shared name. It can be very confusing,

Scent sometimes is in the nose of the smeller. I went out to sniff mine because they are both blooming. Iceberg has a nice sweet scent. FKD has no rose scent that I could detect .

Best of luck

Reply #6 of 17 posted 30 JUN 06 by Jody

Marloes, how about Felicite Parmentier? The buds are pointy, a light pink , and according to this book, "the flowers reflex after opening to form almost a sphere of white".. what do you think? Jody	REPLY

Reply #9 of 17 posted 1 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi I think Wendy is right that Frau K. Druschki and Iceberg are two different roses. I have a book called The Organic Rose Garden by Liz Druitt, which says that FKD is scentless and thus good for allergy sufferers. I have no idea if this is true, but it clear they are two different roses. I also highly recommend The Random House Book of Roses by Roger Phillips and Martyn Rix. It shows great color photos of 1400 roses and in most cases along side of the rose, is a pix of the bud. This can big a big help in Identifying a rose. It has no practical advice for the care of roses but as I said great for ID purposes and it lists parentage. I just ordered another one by them from Amazon called Random House book of Old Roses which was on sale. Your Library might have their books. Jody

Reply #11 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Lulu

I don't think that this rose is Iceberg. It appears to me to have too many petals for Iceberg, and from your description a little too much perfume, also Iceberg does not usually have pink buds, it is more inclined to develop a little pink in the blooms as they mature especially in colder weather. Iceberg has rather pale green leaves for a rose and light green stems. Your rose seems to have red stems near the young foliage. My books show the alternate names Schneewittchen, F'ee des Neiges and Korben for Iceberg. I wish you good luck finding out what your rose actually is. It does have a bit of a heritage look about it and is very lovely.

PS: Frau Karl Druschki is a hybrid perpetual rose, unscented and has the alternate names, Reine des Neiges, Snow Queen and White American Beauty. It is definitely not the same as Iceberg.

Reply #12 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi I still wonder if this is not Felicite Parmentier? Jody	REPLY

Reply #13 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Jody,No, I don't think so, according to the photo's on this site. It's too pink, has too many petals and the buds are too round. Why don't you agree on Iceberg? I guess you live in the east of the US, am I right?	REPLY

Reply #14 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi well this is a mysery, isn't it?!! The pix in the Liz Druitt book of Iceberg looks just like yours but she says "slightly scented". You said yours gives off a nice rosy smell, I think?..as I think Lulu said too much perfume. another book I have says " little scent". I just wonder because the Iceberg buds in the pix I have seen, appear to have no pink or a bare hint of pink in some of them. I think it's hard to ID because it seems the pix vary alot in many roses. I have seen Fragrant Cloud depicted as red in one book and coral in another. Here's what Liz Druitt says about Iceberg: "The slighty scented flowers are medium- sized, double, loosely cupped , and ruffled, with a half - hidden center of golden stamens in the midst of petals whiter than pasteurized milk. she says it gets between 3-4' tall and covered with glossy, light green foilage.What do you think? is it Iceberg? Jody (No, I am in the Pacific Northwestern USA. we are having a very unusal heat wave right now.) You are right, I think, it isn't FP.

Reply #16 of 17 posted 2 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi I have run in to 2 sources that say Iceberg DOES have a scent. one book says "pleasant scent" and the site of Roses of Yesterday (located in Willamette Valley in Oregon, USA) says "light scent." I'd go with what Wendy says since she has one. The Roses of Yesterday says the flowers have pink blush on buds in cool weather otherwise are white. Check out their site sometime. I'd go with Iceberg and Enjoy Jody

Reply #17 of 17 posted 3 JUL 06 by Anonymous-103823

Hi Jody,It could be right that cooler weather gives pinker buds. Anyhow, we have had a pretty cold spring. It would solve the puzzle. And thank you so much for all the effort you have taken. Perhaps we bump into each other again sometime? I would like that. Bye! Marloes	REPLY