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'Green Ice' rose Reviews & Comments
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Is the wichurana x 'Floradora' listed in the pedigree of 'Green Ice' the same as '0-47-19' or a different seedling of the same cross? If so, is there any way to fix this so that other crosses using '0-47-19' show in its lineage?
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That would be a reasonable assumption. Maybe Paul Barden or Kim Rupert can weigh in on this.
Yes, we can replace the unnamed cross with the proper id once confirmed.
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Yes, the seed parent of Green Ice is 0-47-19. Ralph used this rose extensively. There were one or two odd things he created using other seedlings of the cross, but, other than one huge, ugly climber which only saw very local distribution and is surely extinct, all of the others were 0-47-19 seedlings. Kim
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Thank you for the clarification Kim - your participation is immensely valued and appreciated.
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You're most welcome! Help Me Find is an invaluable resource. Any part I can play in increasing the avaialble information is my pleasure!
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Thanks... this will apply to almost all the varieties in this list then too, except obvious ones like 0-47-19 itself and others like 'Softee':
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/plants.php?sbSearch=SEARCH&tab=5
Maybe another way to improve the 'findability' of these roses (and to help raise awareness of the importance of 0-47-19 as well) would be to do as has been done for a Lens creation listed as 'R. wichuraiana X Ballerina' where both plants are mentioned in the name and treated as a single listing so it would come up in searches for Rosa wichurana as well. Maybe a listing for 'Rosa wichurana x Floradora' can be created and made a synonym for 0-47-19?
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Sounds like a great idea to me, Simon. A similar situation exists when discussing 1-72-1, his other prolific breeder. Often, Sequoia provided the information, "seedling" or the cross, Little Darling X Yellow Magic. Everything he created from that cross was 1-72-1, not its sister seedling, 1-71-1, Rise'n Shine. 1-72-1 produced yellow offspring while Rise'n Shine makes mostly white or pale colors. Ralph wasn't after pastel colors. He wanted YELLOW.
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Roses like 'Frostfire', 'Little Mike', 'Magic Dragon', and 'Red Wand', that have 0-47-19 listed in the lineage would also need dealing with individually (I wonder what the 'seedling' for the first three was???). I've read about 1-72-1 on Paul's website (here: http://www.rdrop.com/~paul/minis/softee.html) but haven't begun studying it like I am 0-47-19.
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Unfortunately, those seedlings not named aren't recorded.
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Another note about 'Green Ice'. It appears to be at least semi-fertile here. I have about 40 pots of it I'm growing on for my Son's school fair and they are doing it tough at the moment... but at least 5-6 pots of it are forming OP hips. I have one 'Green Ice' x 'Veilchenblau' hip forming at the moment as well. Produces almost no pollen but seems to accept some pollens. This is the second year it has accepted multiflora or hybrid multiflora pollen. Will be trying hybrid musk ('Cornelia') on it next year (or in the next few weeks if I can induce 'Cornelia' to flower again).
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Have you brought any of the seed from Green Ice to germination yet, Simon? That would be a very interesting thing to see! Good luck with them.
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Have this one from a few years ago: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.59095
There is a swag of OP hips and a single GI x 'Veilchenblau' hip forming now that will hopefully be up next season :)
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That's pretty! Congratulations! You have succeeded in raising the only known seedling to have ever been created by Green Ice. It didn't prove very willing in Ralph's hands, so he didn't push it. I love that and Little Eskimo qne Jet Trail. All three made lovely little cushions of clean, cool white in my heat. Very nice little roses. Good luck with your Veilchenblau cross. If you have Violette, you'll get more mauves from it than Veilchenblau. Ralph used those two and Baby Faurax, which was reported by Harry Wheatcroft to be the dwarf, repeat blooming sport of Veilchenblau. Only Violette gave him mauve. The others gave predominantly pinks.
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Thanks.. I'm glad you like it. It is well behaved in every way and I'm trying to propagate it now to protect it from mishap (as I nearly lost it this year when I moved it during a very hot spell) and to trial it in different areas. I hope, in a few years time, it will be the first rose I release.
I have found that 'Green ice' seems to accept quite a lot of multiflora hybrid pollens. Last season I only put pollen from my understock multiflora hybrid onto it and got a single hip with a single seed in it. It didn't germinate. So this season I was thinking I would try multiflora hybrid pollen on it again and 'Violette' wasn't big enough yet to flower well (made a few little flowers but not many... and that pollen was destined for 'Rhapsody in Blue' and 'Sweet Chariot', neither of which took). 'Veilchenblau' was larger and made copious amounts of pollen so it got the chance this season... with any luck 'Violette' will be larger next season (I have found it hard to get 'Violette' established here for some reason *shrugs*) and speaking of 'Sweet Chariot', it's basically a hybrid multilfora too I so might give that a go on it as well as some of those Angel Wing seedlings, which you guys said were probably descended from multiflora 'nana' on RHA. If it likes multiflora-type pollen maybe some hybrid musk pollen might work on it too. I'll duck out and photograph the hips forming on it right now too as they would be useful for HMF's records I think...
EDIT: come to think of it... I've had a few successes this season with low-odds crosses... there is this 'Green Ice' x 'Veilchanblau', 'Temple Bells' x 'Anemone', and 'Altissomo' x 'Euphrates'.... all forming nice fat hips here at the moment... exciting times :)
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#14 of 19 posted
19 JAN 15 by
 Plazbo
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Did anything germinate from the crosses?
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Green Ice x Veilchenblau was a mildewy mess and was culled. The rest failed to germinate. It's one thing to get seeds... but it doesn't mean anything till they come up ;)
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#16 of 19 posted
20 JAN 15 by
Plazbo
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Well that's unfortunate. I got one because I wanted miniature genes and of what was available it looked the nicest...maybe I'll get better results but doesn't seem likely.
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You might be pleasantly surprised. Just because another breeder ends up with nothing from a rose doesn't mean that you will as well. Different roses chosen by different breeders can make all the difference.
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#18 of 19 posted
20 JAN 15 by
Plazbo
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It's possible, was more a general reference to the surprise posters had to the fertilitity of this rose so already seems like an up hill battle on that front. I'll attempt to cross pollinate this for the rest of the season (southern hemisphere), plant has a lot of new buds still forming and two dozen or so existing flowers so opportunity isn't a factor, will see how it goes just not expecting anything from it.
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I am in Tasmania, Australia... a world away from where 'Green Ice' was born :) It could behave very differently here. It's worth trying roses even if they are reputed to be be stubborn breeders because you just don't know how something will behave in your own climate. Try it with non-multiflora roses. Multiflora-type roses are notorious for introducing mildew. It just needs the right partner :)
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