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Initial post 20 NOV 22 by Seaside Rooftop
Hi,
I really enjoy this website, thank you so much for this incredibly useful resource!
I would like to ask if there is or could be a way to filter the results in the pictures.
I am not trying to be mean but some of the entries are just close-ups of the flower for multiple pages. Some users seem to post dozens and dozens of these close-ups which makes it really tedious to search for a full bush shot, let alone other plant parts.
Would it be possible to further implement the current labeling system, so that accurate labeling of pictures (bloom closeup, whole plant, hips, etc) is mandatory?
Would it be possible to filter the results to exclude the pictures posted by a specific user?
Perhaps it's easier said than done. Either way I really enjoy the website, thanks again!
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 21 NOV 22 by Palustris
You are preaching to the choir when it comes to me and the rose photos here, on Flickr, and every other site with rose photos. But what is important to remember is that this site is dependent on user's contributions and we must respect their contributions even if imperfect. Without user photos, this site would be much less useful.

That said, I really don't think that close up photos of the center of a flower contributes in any way to help identify a plant nor are they artistically attractive. I like to give a flower space to "breath" in a photo, that is to say I like to show space around a flower because it adds some sort of context to the photo as well as giving a more complete view. So, I am saying that adding some artistic sense can also contribute to helping identify a plant by the flowers. After all, why does HMF show photos of the flowers? I would argue that rather than being primarily a venue for artistic expression, it is a resource for plant identification.

To that goal, it then becomes important to photograph the entire plant: flowers, stems, prickles, leaves and the entire bush. Some of the roses on this site are extremely rare or the flowers can be very similar to other rose cultivars. In these instances particularly, it is important to show details that help in plant identification. Sometimes it comes down to minor details like the length and shape of a sepal, or the number of glandular bristles on a peduncle.

I don't think you can filter out user's photos, but you can definitely follow a user whose photos you find useful, simply by clicking on the user name and checking out their photos.

I have already said enough, but while I am pontificating about useful photos to help identify a plant, it is important to point out that the provenance of the plant is also very important. That's why HMF asks when the photo was taken and the provenance of the plant. For instance, there is occasionally a vendor who has an incorrectly labeled rose. Those photos eventually end up on HMF mislabeled. If we know the vendor, we can then help them to correctly identify that rose. Even the date of the photo can be useful. If I want to visit a garden in a different region, I would like to know when the roses in that location flower.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 21 NOV 22 by Seaside Rooftop
I agree with everything you said Palustris.
I think the filter could be more effective if it were mandatory to label the pic. When you upload a photo, there are multiple boxes you can tick to categorize your picture as a pic of the whole plant, or blooms or foliage, or hips/seeds, etc. But this is currently optional.
As a result, the filter is currently almost useless, since nobody seems to use it when uploading.
My comment above was spurred by a search for pictures of a rose, in which I limited the results in the list options to "canes/stems/branches" and got only page after page of bloom closeups.
Making labeling mandatory would not fix previous uploads, but hopefully new ones would be more accurate.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 21 NOV 22 by Palustris
Making the category mandatory could be as simple as requiring the tick box to be filled before the upload can be completed.

While I always tick the category of photo type, I didn't know there was a way to search on them. I will have to check that out as it certainly could be useful.
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