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Initial post yesterday by Magical fog kingdom
Very unusual fragrance and I haven’t decided if I’m fond of it yet.
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Initial post 22 NOV 18 by Cà Berta
There are a few elements that points to Attilio Ragionieri as breeder of this rose. 1) Ferdinando Scarlatti and Attilio Ragionieri were working in the same period in Florence and were "acquainted" and it would be right for him to baptize a unnamed rose with the name of his dead friend; 2) this rose is, strangerly enough for the period, a HP; 3) in Costa azzurra agricola floreale 1930 page 314 Attilio Ragionieri wrote "Il Dr. A. Ragionieri ha fecondato a Castello (Firenze), i fiori di R. gigantea col polline di alcune delle più belle varietà del commercio (1). … Dall’incrocio con la var. Prince Camille de Rohen, ottenne una pianta vigorosa, che ha cominciato a fiorire abbastanza presto: i suoi fiori ben doppi, molto grandi, a lunghissimi petali, hanno il colore di quelli della varietà Ulrich Brunner e sono molto odorosi" (translation Attilio Ragionieri in Castello (Florence) bred flowers of R. gigantea with pollen of some well known varieties (ref 1). The cross with Prince Camille de Rohan gave a vigorous plant, that started rather early to bloom: the flowers are well double, very large with very long petals, the colour is similar to Ulrich Brunner and are very odorous); 4) the reference 1 quotes a 1926 article by Ragionieri (I did not find it jet).; 5) Prince Camille de Rohan is a HP with "the right colour" ... Not one prove but certainly many many hints ...
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Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by odinthor
This theory (Ragionieri being the breeder) has a lot going for it. Dr. Attilio Ragionieri, a medical doctor, hybridized a wide range of plants for fun; he died suddenly the morning of October 11, 1933. I see a snippet in Costa Azzurra Agricola Floreale of 1932 (p. 21) stating "Attilio Ragionieri Il premio di Roma per le rose" ("Attilio Ragionieri the Rome prize for roses," presumably meaning he was awarded said prize) which, frustratingly, I don't seem to be able to find the expanded verson of; but at the least it confirms that Ragionieri was involved with roses. Meantime, the firm of Ferdinando Scarlatti was active in Florence (3–5 Via Giovanni Berchet) and, for some period, also in Rome (149 Corso Umberto 1), during these early decades of the 20th century, Scarlatti himself still being alive at least into the mid-1920s. I don't seem to be able to find a death-date for Scarlatti, which would (obviously) assist in fine-tuning the date of the rose; the "ca. 1925" which has been attached to this rose has a good chance of being quite accurate. I post this hoping that it will help others find further pertinent information.
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Initial post yesterday by Umang
This rose gets affected by thrips in my climate - Nadiad, Gujarat, India.
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Initial post yesterday by Umang
This rose gets affected by thrips in my weather - Nadiad, Gujarat, India.
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