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"Showstopping, Oversized Blooms: The largest pink hybrid tea blooms you can grow—up to 6 inches across."
I dunno about that. The largest pink HTs I've ever seen were Rose Rhapsody, Caramel Sunset, and Gentle Giant. I live in a climate where you can see the largest possible. 'Elina' is so far my record breaker, with 'Rose Rhapsody', 'Neptune', 'Lloyd Center Supreme', and 'Claret' rounding out the top limits. 'Love and Peace', 'Color Magic', and 'Sunstruck' come close, but not quite. 'Pristine' might make the cut but I've never grown it.
A little disappointed that Pretty Lady Rose and Lasting Love are probably the parents. If its another dark pink HT, it needs to have something improved. When a company uses Lasting Love but does not use something to breed against its high level of black spot, its not impressive. LL has a lot of amazing qualities, but its hamstrung by its high rate of black spot. Both parents do well against other diseases, however. I just expected more out of Weeks. I guess they thought, "Pretty Lady Rose" is nice, but it doesn't have much fragrance, so they crossed it with a fragrant rose in a similar color category? I dunno lol.
Apparently Weeks also submitted another new rose to Spring Hill called 'Fashion Forward'. It might be the better buy? Rounded OGR form pink/white bicolor, but only some scent. Can't decipher parentage though, but the clusters seem to be nicely rounded. However, its like the Xth pink to magenta to violet flori by them many years in a row. Confusing. Where's the pizazz?
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The largest blooms I have had were on a well-established Mr. Lincoln during a warm spring which followed a wet winter.
As for your RR, it still surprises me that Fragrant Cloud was being used as a parent as late as 1999. RR won't grow for me in zone 5, alas.
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I can see that. I have seen some very large Oklahoma blooms in downtown Portland. Oh, Dolly Parton does get huge too. Add that one to the ridiculous list lol.
Both Fragrant Cloud and Ingrid Berman are on well-behaved mid-sized plants here, but Rose Rhapsody is taller, the blooms are bigger. Mine is own root and 6' tall. Its a beastly rose. It does not need to be grafted at all. Stems, foliage, and blooms are all large-portioned.
JP not selling this rose every single year possible is a mis-step.
JP went through a phase in the 1990s by crossing their mainstays with some classics. So you had like Honor x Sterling Silver or Jadis, or a JP Apricot HT x some classic Apricot HT, or whatever. I dunno why. It worked in a few cases, and not so much in other cases. I think they were just throwing fragrant roses at their own HTs because fragrance sells and their sales started slipping when the Simplicity hedge package sales began to decline. Then Knock Out won the AARS and that version of JP died.
Sorry its not hardy enough for Z5.
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This is a gorgeous rose. Mine has a strong, sweet scent, and I am the first to admit that I don't smell as well as I would like to. I am sad that this rose is not widely available.
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Hello. Would you say it is fruity smelling as well as sweet? Have you tried placing one bloom in a vase of water to see if it can perfume a room?
It looks similar to a rose I've been trying to identify (and purchase) which perhaps had slightly more of a deeper coral pink colour. That rose had 4 inch tall x 4 inch wide reflexed spiral blooms and could exhale an extraordinary fragrance when placed in a vase:
strawberry mousse, raspberries (without the woody element) with a whisper of musk and a hint of lime - smoother than 'Fragrant Cloud' and more pervasive than 'Chandos Beauty'.
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Bonjour Monsieur Kai-Erik,
Moi aussi, je suis passionné par les roses, surtout par les rosiers anciens. Il y a quelque temps, vous vous étiez intéressé par le rosier Comtesse Ouwaroff. Avez-vous réussi à contacter monsieur Joseph Beaujean ? Est-ce que cette rose est à votre disposition ? Si oui, auriez-vous l'amabilité de partager des bouturages avec moi pour mon jardin privé ?
Bien à vous,
Elizabeth
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HMF gives Vibert as the breeder of this rose and 1845 as the introduction date, but in his 1845 catalogue, Vibert doesn't indicate that he bred this rose. I suspect that William Paul, writing in 1848, was correct to say that the rose was introduced in 1845 'from Angers', however.
One likely possibility is that Vibert discovered this rose as a sport. I've seen a number of roses that are attributed to him that he didn't claim as coming from his "semis". He must have discovered and introduced any number of sports during his long career, but I don't think he tagged them in his catalogues as his creations. The 1845 catalogue's price of 3 1/2 francs does seem appropriate for an 1845 rose introduction.
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Clearly not bred by Vibert, but introduced by him. Teas were not his forte in any case.
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He did sell Teas, though, so maybe a sport that he discovered?
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