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"Mrs. Honey Dyson" rose Reviews & Comments
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I can't agree on the current classification of this rose.
to me it's a light pink Noisette. Obtained by Keith Steadman in Iron Acton from one of his customers (Mrs Honey Dyson), which she had found in her garden in Gloucestershire. This could be synonymous with "Lady Clonbrook"
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John, I think "Mrs Honey Dyson" is really 'Auguste Gervais'. I wrote a piece about it for the Historic Roses Journal in UK last year. HRJ published a picture of it back in 2004 and, when I saw it, I immediately said it was 'Auguste Gervais'. My own plants came from Henry Robinson and I see there is a picture of it at Moor Wood on HMF. I think that, if you compare "Mrs Honey Dyson" and 'Auguste Gervais' you will find that they match in every detail. BW, Charles.
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Hello Charles
I think maybe there is more than one version. My version doesn't match Auguste Gervais which I have growing here. The "Mrs Honey Dyson" I received is a repeat blooming Noisette it came from a good source, Mel Chambers was a good friend of Keith Steadman and she assures me this is the correct form. Its interesting to note that Peter Beales in 1996 refers to it as creamy-white and fragrant, loosely cupped in form and produced in drooping clusters, Please look at the picture I have posted. Maybe their has been a mix up as it has been handed around?
John
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John, how does your version compare with 'Blush Noisette'? It seems to have a similar habit.
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Thanks for the new pix, John. Patricia may be right when she suggests 'Noisette Carnée'. See if the receptacles are small in diameter but definitely elongated, and whether the buds are red at first. CQ-R.
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The rose I have is in the Blush Noisette class ie early Noisettes before crossing with Teas,ie Multiflore de Vaumarcus or Belle Vichysoise. Many of these are similar. I believe there is a collection of these around Charleston.
Blush Noisette is very common around us, its in pretty much every cemetery and I am aware of 17 plants in our commune so I have plenty to compare with. The "Mrs Honey Dyson" I have has only been in the ground 2 years so its too early to be sure but currently obvious differences are the clusters that are held tight to the plant unlike Blush Noisette and the amount of prickles. it is also much more prone to blackspot. If I go back to references again, Beales description of 1996 is at odds with Deirdre Gordon. Roses on Chalk 1999 which describes a rose with apricot buds. As either of these roses have an assumed name, I am tempted to rename mine to avoid confusion.
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John, All I can say is that I have not seen anything to distinguish "Mrs Honey Dyson" from 'Auguste Gervais'. I have seen 'Auguste Gervais' at Bagatelle, Sangerhausen and Dortmund, and the plants are all identical with Henry & Susie Robinson's "Mrs Honey Dyson". As you know, Keith Steadman, Keith Marshall and the Robinsons are/were all neighbours in Gloucestershire, so it is likely that their plants have a common source. It's clear that your plant is not 'Auguste Gervais'. I don't know Mel Chambers, but Keith Steadman died about 30 years ago. There are two questions to consider: [1] is Mel Chambers correct in identifying your rose as "Mrs Honey Dyson"? [2] what is the real name of your "Mrs Honey Dyson"? More photographs might help. Best wishes, Charles.
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I note that Vita Sackville-West wrote briefly about 'Leontine Gervais'. Refer the 1968 reference for that rose.
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