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jedmar
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In Europe this rose is sold as "Julie Andrieu".
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HelpMeFind shows: ‘Edouard Manet’ as a floribunda/shrub with a height of 185cm. ‘Julie Andrieu’ as a climber with a height of 200cm. So they are nearly the same height. Does anybody know if ‘Julie Andrieu’ won any awards? Observer - thank you for your comment. Do you have proof that they are the same rose?
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#2 of 9 posted
2 JUL 19 by
observer
As I understood Delbard roses are popular in the East. Each time, when I was looking for information about a new Delbard rose, I mostly found it at eastern websites. It was very strange that "Julie Andrieu" rose is not grown there. I found a similar rose at delbard-japon.com website and noticed the "Julie Andrieu" rose plant in the gallery.
This is "Julie Andrieu": https://www.georgesdelbard.com/pub/catalog/inspiration_jardin/jardin_des_sens/fleurs_a_bouquets/rosier_grimpant_julie_andrieu_3.jpg
This is "Edouard Manet": http://www.delbard-japon.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Edouard_Manet_2016_008.jpg
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#3 of 9 posted
2 JUL 19 by
observer
Besides, there is a small farm in Thailand, which sells this rose. They announce it as "Julie Andrieu or Edouard Manet": https://www.facebook.com/Rose.in.love.0847788484/posts/2028123770845469/
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Thank you observer. Without further proof, I am unable to merge the 2007 ‘Edouard Manet’ with the 2016 Julie Andrieu DELstriocrem. I believe there were quite a few similar striped roses. We need either a code name for ‘Edouard Manet’, or evidence that ‘Julie Andrieu’ won awards in Rome in 2014 and Gifu in 2017. For the moment I have added a Note in both files.
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#5 of 9 posted
6 JUL 20 by
Ericchn
Hello, please note that “Julie Andrieu” & “Édouard Manet” have the exactly fragrance analysis (the fragrance triangle) on their respective official page:
https://www.georgesdelbard.com/product/rosier-grimpant-julie-andrieu
http://www.delbard-japon.com/2018/03/05/397/
Both pages indicate that the fragrance is composed of rose, red fruits & yellow fruits, moss.
Since the two have exactly the same fragrance, very similar look and other characteristics, I believe they are the same rose.
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#6 of 9 posted
6 JUL 20 by
jedmar
Just to confuse matters a little more: it seems Delstrirocrem = 'Julie Andrieu' is sold in the UK as 'Climbing Claude Monet'
https://www.thefragrantrosecompany.co.uk/claude-monet-climber-climbing-rose.html
which means it is a sport of the floribunda 'Claude Monet', of which there is a 1992 and a 2012 variant
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#7 of 9 posted
6 days ago by
Ericchn
Not necessarily, it could be just a way of marketing a new variety using the name of a better known one.
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#8 of 9 posted
6 days ago by
Ericchn
Finally there’s proof that it’s the same rose:
shop.takii.co.jp/products/detail/NBX072
Registration for Japanese PBR: www.hinshu2.maff.go.jp/vips/cmm/apCMM112.aspx?TOUROKU_NO=28498&LANGUAGE=Japanese
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#9 of 9 posted
6 days ago by
jedmar
Listings merged, thank you!
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'Antonie Schürz' is the accepted spelling of this rose’s name; but we see that there was a Hungarian writer Antoine Schürz, who was the biographer (and brother-in-law) of 1800s Austrian poet Nikolaus Franz Niembsch Edler von Strehlenau. Perhaps 'Antoine Schürz' is correct after all . . . ?
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#1 of 2 posted
6 days ago by
jedmar
The name "Antonie Schurz" (not Schürz - the French often make put an ü in German names with u - see Cécile Brünner), is often mentioned in a specific story: The German professor and theologian Gottfried Kinkel (1815-1882) was arrested in 1849 as a revolutionary. On the night of November 6/7, 1850, he was freed from the prison of Spandau in Berlin by his revolutionary friend Carl Schurz (1829-1906). Carl Schurz's younger sister Antonie (or Antoinette) (July 19, 1836 Liblar near Cologne - April 27, 1923 Milwaukee) helped in the escape. Gottfried Kinkel and Carl Schurz escaped to London. Carl Schurz later emigrated to USA and was a Major General in the Union Army during the Civil war and a politician, even Secretary of the Interior in the cabinet of Rutherfor B. Hayes. Young Antonie Schurz joined her brother in London and lived first in Kinkel's household there. She then also emigrated to USA and married in 1856 another German emigrant, Edmund Jüssen (1830-1891). Her "Life Reminescens" were published. Edmund Jüssen became a Republican politician and an anti-slavery advocate, and a colonel of the Wisconsin infantry. A lot of information can be found on the web on Schurz and Jüssen families.
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#2 of 2 posted
6 days ago by
odinthor
A person might wonder whether Geschwind would be likely to be more interested in a Hungarian writer or the sister of a German revolutionary.
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7 days ago by
jedmar
We added 2 more feet!
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A good handful of copyrighted photos of this rose can be found by using together search terms "il nuovo CercaRose" and "Anne Laferrère" in a Google Image search then clicking on the appropriate rose picture that comes up. The flowers are a purply crimson rather like 'Chrysler Imperial' when it blues a little, and they have a good lush shape. It looks like a rose well worthy of being in commerce.
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#1 of 1 posted
7 days ago by
jedmar
The Roseto San Giovanni in Trieste seems well worth a visit!
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