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'MASmabay' rose Reviews & Comments
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The description page for this rose says it is susceptible to blackspot. There is nothing about that in the references, and the only member comment that mentions blackspot indicates that this rose has good resistance.
The member ratings (which admittedly must frequently be taken with a pinch of salt) claim excellent resistance to disease, but obviously without any indication of which disease this relates to.
There is one photo (Photo Id: 288945) which appears to show some "blackspot", but based on a recent conversation with Michael Garhart (https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=21.288890&tab=32) it looks to me as though that spotting may be caused by Cercospora instead. The grey centres in the spots are a trait of Cercospora, and don't appear with Diplocarpon.
So the question here is: where did the "Susceptible to blackspot" warning come from?
Edit: Found this over on houzz (in the "Guillot Generosa Roses" thread) - "I used to live in Thailand (20 years ago) and now I live in southern Mississippi. We have very high heat and humidity here too. I have 5 plants of Martine Guillot and they are some of my healthiest roses. They do not have problems with blackspot or mildew and I rarely spray."
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#1 of 3 posted
2 NOV 22 by
Ericchn
Even the website of Guillot Rose declares that Martine Guillot has excellent resistance to blackspots.
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#2 of 3 posted
3 NOV 22 by
jedmar
Not clear where this came from. Removed.
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#3 of 3 posted
3 NOV 22 by
Ericchn
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Lineage:
"Origin and Breeding Controlled pollination. Seed parent ‘New Dawn’ x pollen parent ((‘Chaucer’ x ‘Aloha’) x (‘Iceberg’ x “unnamed seedling”))"
Ref: http://pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/pbr_db/docs/2001265.doc
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I suspect but can't confirm the 'Iceberg' shown in this lineage is incorrect and should be the more common floridunda version 1958.
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What was it before? I assumed the 'Iceberg' in the lineage I posted would automatically be entered as the common Kordes, 1958, version.
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It was entered as Kordes 2002 florists version, which is highly unlikely since this rose was introduced in 1991.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.36436
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Its essentially just New Dawn x Graham Thomas. The way the parentage is listed is really odd. Its hard to fathom the breeder followed the same pathway as Austin did, lol. But yeah. Definitely the well-known Iceberg.
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The notes in the description of this rose should be updated to say that the pollen parent was most likely Graham Thomas. The parentage is "New Dawn X Graham Thomas," as proposed by Michael Garhart. ~Benaminh
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By the same breeder, Sonia Rykel follows the same pattern. Yet, two other roses by the same breeder simply say 'Graham Thomas'.
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I request that the HMF admins just add a note at the bottom of the description tab stating that Graham Thomas is the likely pollen parent versus changing the official parentage hot link. Saves us time having to look at all the progeny of Charles Austin (Chaucer X Aloha) and Iceberg to reach the same conclusion. ~B.
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Done. I know you will also be using the PARENTAGE TREE in LINEAGE
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#11 of 12 posted
21 DEC 21 by
jedmar
The Breeder confirmed in a personal message that 'Graham Thomas' is the pollen parent of 'Martine Guillot and 'Sonia Rykiel'
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#16 of 12 posted
23 DEC 21 by
Duchesse
Pleased to hear this. Martine and Sonia are doing great in my garden.
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The website of Guillot Rose declares that Martine Guillot has excellent resistance to blackspots :
“Et pour parfaire toutes ses qualités, la rose Générosa® Martine Guillot® offre un parfum intense et un feuillage vert parfaitement résistant aux maladies. C’est un modèle de résistance à la principale maladie du rosier, la Tâche Noire ou Marsonia dans les instituts de recherche. ”
So why in the description page it is marked “susceptible to blackspot”?
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Available from Swiss Garden nursery in Perth: http://www.swissrosegarden.com/r651/martine-guillot-roses-perth
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