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'Duchesse d'Orléans' rose Reviews & Comments
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The statement that 'La Reine' is the parent is speculative. The writer is essentially saying that 'Duchesse d'Orléans' has much the look of 'La Reine', not that he knows it to be a seedling of 'La Reine'.
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#1 of 4 posted
17 OCT 23 by
 jedmar
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Yes, he says "This new gain, says M. J. Herincq, obviously came from a sowing of the Rose de la Reine; it has the habit, the foliage and the shape of the flowers.". That is probably the best we can get with many parentages until DNA analysis becomes commonplace.
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#2 of 4 posted
17 OCT 23 by
odinthor
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"The best we can get" is not an excuse for presenting opinion as fact.
The description page should make it clear that it is only the opinion of an editor that the parent of this rose was 'La Reine'.
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#3 of 4 posted
17 OCT 23 by
jedmar
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But what is fact, Brent? We should throw away most of the parentages of the early 18th century then. Have a look e.g. at the first generation descendants of 'Park's Yellow'. Which are fact and which are opinion or hearsay?
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#4 of 4 posted
17 OCT 23 by
odinthor
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When one's source of information itself states that it is opinion rather than an authoritative statement from the breeder (or someone else patently in the know), then it's obligatory to present that information as opinion rather than established fact. Otherwise one is taking it on one's self to affirm as a fact what is--right on the face of it!--not a fact. Essentially it is bearing false witness. That others may have let things slide truth-wise does not mean that one one's self should join in their malfeasance. How can we hold up our heads and say that we are working for the Truth when we just shrug and take an attitude of, "Eh, whatever..."? To present things to the Public is to undertake an obligation to "play fairly" and adhere to perspicuity and strict truthfulness to the degree that it is within our power to do so; to do otherwise is to fail in our mission both as historians and as rose-lovers. We all make inadvertencies and mistakes because we wouldn't be human if that weren't the case; but to purposely fail to distinguish between things presented as fact and things presented as opinion is a whole different level of failing to meet one's obligations.
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