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'Paul Ricard ®' rose Reviews & Comments
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7 OCT 17 by
ksinGA
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This rose is fantastic. It grows very large, and often has flushes of over 100 blooms. Perfectly formed, spiral blooms. It has an odd, (and strong) licorice fragrance.
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I agree it grows very large. You forgot to mention the large and aggressive thorns. I think it does not much like shade. If you live in a place too cold fro Mermaid and you need a fenceline rose to discourage unwanted trespass, PR is a good choice.
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This rose is awesome. I have grown it now for approx. 19 or 20 years. I would like to note though, that in my garden here in Ventura, CA, I now have a cane on it that has reached over 10 ft in height and a 9 ft one coming up on it as well.
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Hello everyone. I'm relatively new to roses and I would like to plant Spirit Of Peace at the front of my east facing house, along the fence. I live in Adelaide, South Australia and would like to know what would go well with Spirit Of Peace as I have room for about 6, Spirit Of Peace type bushes. I have a Spirit Of Peace in the back yard and it grows well and we think the colour will go great with our new fence and the colour of our house. The new plantings will get at least 8 hours of sunlight.
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The Adelaide plains are zone 10a. I know too little about modern roses to suggest any, but you might like to try Sunlit - Aus-bred from 1937 (same breeder as Lorraine Lee and Blackboy), similar colouring to Spirit of Peace, outstanding bloom output. Thomas for Roses at Woodside or Ross Roses at Willunga have it. Rosses have modern Aus-breds which might interest you.
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Are specifically looking at only shrub options? If you want to consider a climber, both Reve D'Or and Crepuscule are apricot/gold heirlooms that would likely flourish in your zone. Austin's good ol' Abraham Darby is also a modern apricot blend that would seem to fit the bill.
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#3 of 3 posted
27 MAR 12 by
 matrice
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Thank you all for your guidance and I will definitely look into your recommendations.
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17 JAN 12
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Great insight, thanks so much for taking the time to share your experience.
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#2 of 13 posted
18 JAN 12 by
Tomartyr
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It seems this rose has never found its way to New Zealand, more's the pity. Never been a plant variety right registered, anyway. I wonder hoops one would have to jump through to get some wood across the Tasman.
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It is a pity you guys don't have access to it there, as it's a really top quality rose. Maybe I could put a cutting in a bottle and throw it in the water when the tide is going out!
You do seem to have quite a lot of good looking roses over there that we don't seem to have here, though, which I have noticed when looking at some NZ rose catalogues, and online rose stores. Some of them look terrific, although some may just go by different names over there and be ones that we have here too.
Some really top roses have come out of NZ. There doesn't seem to be much of an incentive for anyone to breed roses over here, as apparently there has been some multi-decade long ban on Aus roses in the US, because of some disease, or something. So we just mostly get roses form the US and England and Europe (and some, like Blackberry Nip, from NZ) and very few that are bred here.
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Steve, you are aware you can look up the roses in the New Zealand catalogs and compare the breeders code names to make sure they're the same roses you can buy, aren't you?
For instance, if you look up the rose Elina, you'll find its breeders code name is DICjana. We have it as Elina. In Britain, where it was created, it's called Peadouce, but with the same breeders code. HMF references the breeders codes with the synonyms. Often, catalogs will list the codes, also, meaning you can look them up by the code, too.
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And, wow, look at this.
A Glossary entry with Breeder Codes:
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/gl.php?n=97
Every day I discover something new here.
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Yup! It's not only because there is so much already here, but more neat stuff is being added all the time. Mine is RUP. Kim
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Exactly, the linking of numerous commercial names to the same rose is one of HMF's most useful features.
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20 JAN 12 by
Tomartyr
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Yes, the breeders' names are a wonderfully useful feature of the more modern varieties. A while ago I questioned whether HMF was correct in listing CHEwba and CHEworangedawn as the same variety. Why would Warner give two names to one variety? As I explained when I questioned this, CHEwba and CHEworangedawn are marketed as two distinct climbing varieties ('Sundancer' and 'Lady Barbara' respectively) by two independent major New Zealand rose nurseries, D & S Roses and Southern Roses.
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A quick look at the New Zealand patents for both CHEwba and CHEWboranagedawn shows that you are right. It will take a bit more expertise than I have here at HMF to sort it out, but I'm sure someone more adept than I will put the pieces of the puzzle back together correctly.
http://202.174.112.149/VarietyDetails.asp?PVRPreference=CommonName&PVROwner=&PVRContact=&PVRDenomination=CHEWorangedawn&PVRTradename=&PVRBotanicalName=0&PVRCommonName=0&scroll=&pvrid=3422&denomid=7137
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Nothing really to sort out. Whomever created the codes in that business, gave this one two, and it's grown under both. You find that occasionally in J&P code names, too.
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Kim, are you sure? There are two separate NZ patent applications under two separate breeder codes and two separate trade names.
If you go here http://www.iponz.govt.nz/cms/pvr
And click on Search for Plant Variety RIghts
and then on the next page enter CHEWba in Denomination, you will come up with Lady Barbara
if you enter CHEWorangedawn in Denomination yo will come up with Sundancer.
What's to make us think they are the same rose?
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I'm not "sure", but based my conclusion on HMF listing both code names as synonyms. I will try to remember to do more research on it later today when I get home.
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#15 of 13 posted
20 JAN 12 by
Tomartyr
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Kim, it seems most unlikely that two reputable and well established rose nurseries would grow and market a single variety under two names, without any cross-reference. This, combined with Warner's application of two denominations, is to me overwhelming evidence that they are, in fact, two completely separate varieties.
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Hi again Kim, yes, I am more aware of the breeders codes now, thanks. This HMF site has taught me a lot about that sort of thing and it's great to be able to work out which roses in the US, or Europe, or NZ are available here under different names.
One example was Cherry Parfait, or Jubile Du Prince De Monaco, which I had seen photo's of from the US and Europe and wished it was available here, but then I finally saw this website and realised that we did in fact have it here, under the name 'Fire & Ice' (which I'd seen a few times in the shops and almost bought at one point), so I quickly went out and bought a bush of it.
Another example was Peter Mayle, which I saw a photo of a couple of years ago and absolutely loved the look of and what I'd heard about it. I was really wishing we would get it here, but then all of a sudden I realised we had that here too, under the name 'Gift Of Grace', so I also got a bush of that one.
This site is really great in that respect.
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