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'Renae' rose Reviews & Comments
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Neither parent is listed (in respective entries) as being thornless (prickle-free). Is this an oversight, or is neither in fact thornless?
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It isn't an over sight. No one who has reported on either parent has mentioned their lack of prickles, hence, nothing about that characteristic has been stated.
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Thanks, Kim! Thornlessness is a bit of an enigmatic trait for inheritance to me. I know you have thornless descendants, but some of yours aren't listed as such. Any sense which way the majority lean?
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I'm not aware of any which are smooth not being listed as not having them or having few.
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This cultivar is listed as diploid in the paper 'Pollen diameter and guard cell length as predictors of ploidy in diverse rose cultivars, species, and breeding lines'
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Armstrong Nurseries catalog - 1954 Renae Seldom can we claim for any new rose as many unusual and desirable qualities. A pillar type, it grows to about 10 feet in height. The long-pointed shiny green leaves cover the plant thoroughly and so completely that it never gets a "leggy" look as so many climbers do. In mild areas like Southern California it is practically evergreen.
In early spring the plant is completely covered with double blooms of lavender pink, about 2 1/2 inches across. But Renae is one of those unusual climbers which continues right on blooming until late fall. The bloom holds exceedingly well and when finished drops off cleanly. Last but not least, it is practically thornless--only occasionally will you find one. We feel sure this is going to be a favorite with planters everywhere except in the colder areas. Plant Pat. No. 893. $3.00 each; 3 or more, $2.65 each.
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All About Miniature Roses (1967) Ralph S. Moore Chapter 18 — Searching for Better Varieties
When I began my work with miniatures it was a natural step because I had long been interested in small flowered roses. Cecil Brunner was a favorite. Then about 1927 I acquired a little polyantha variety called Étoile Luisante (Baby Herriot). This rose was not very double but had buds similar to Cecil Brunner in form and the color was a beautiful flame of cerise-red and copper shaded with pink and yellow. Foliage was glossy and the plant had few thorns. The dwarf plants flowered abundantly in clusters. Seed hips set easily and seeds germinated readily.
The stage was set. I began to sow quantities of seeds from this variety and found that the color range was wide. Flower color varied from near white to soft yellow through various shades of pink and flame tones. A few showed the red/yellow bicolor similar to Talisman. Some were low to medium height bushes. Many were of climbing or semi-climbing habit. Nearly all were constant repeat bloomers. A number set seeds as freely as the parent, Étoile Luisante. Most of the climbers were single flowered and nearly all seedlings were fragrant.
After making several selections from the seedlings the others were destroyed. Of those saved three were named (all climbers). Renae(Pat. 893) was introduced by Armstrong Nurseries, Ontario, California. Renae is available on weeping standard from Stocking Rose Nursery, San Jose, California. It is similar to Climbing Pinkie, very fragrant, an abundant bloomer with clean glossy foliage and thornless. For mild climates Renae is a lovely rose but it is along with most of the others selected from the lot, not dependably winter hardy in colder areas.
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This reference confirms the parentage of 'Renae' and it's Sister seedlings as shared with me personally by Ralph Moore.
Others seemed to think he had forgotten the parentage, perhaps because of his advanced age at the time.
(There are other references stating parentage as shown at HMF.)
I still have good faith he knew very well what he was saying, as evidenced here.
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