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'Dr. F.L. Skinner' rose Reviews & Comments
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From letter of Robert Simonet to Percy Wright October 14/1965
"Earlier this year I wrote you of 2 yellow roses from the cross of Joanna Hill x Altaica to pollen of Hazeldean, which has fairly yellow flowers when they first open but which fade rather fast. Their bud form and petal texture are better than Hazeldean. One of them blooms only in June-July, but the other has flowers in September, much as Altai itself often does. So far, both have had fewer blooms than Hazeldean does for a bush of the same size, but they may improve in this feature in their second year of blooming."
The 'Joanna Hill' x Rosa altaica selection was eventually named 'Dr. F. L. Skinner'.
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Thanks Paul. I have changed the parentage of 'Dr. F. L Skinner' from
Joanna Hill x R. Spinosissima var. Altaica (Willd) Rehder
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(Joanna Hill x Altaica) x Hazeldean.
It appears that the other yellow mentioned was 'Jean' and I have changed the date of that from <1986 to 1964.
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Simonet writes of two yellow roses from the cross of (Joanna Hill x Altaica) x Haxeldean. However, the cross of (Joanna Hill x Altaica) itself used as a seed parent in the previously mentioned cross with Hazeldean, did not have Hazeldean in its ancestry. (Joanna Hill x Altaica) itself was later named Dr. F. L. Skinner
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I note you have changed the parentage. Many thanks Peter. Have I got this straight now:
1964. Dr. F. L. Skinner (Joanna Hill x Altaica)
1965 Jean syn Jaidean. (Joanna Hill x Altaica) x Hazeldean. Repeats somewhat.
1965 No known name as yet (Joanna Hill x Altaica) x Hazeldean). No repeat.
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I believe that is correct, Patricia. That is what Simonet's letter indicates.
I think we have to go with what Simonet says.
The color of 'Dr. F. L. Skinner' is surely within the range of likely colors from 'Joanna Hill'.
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This rose cultivar is no longer located at the St. Albert Botanic Park rose garden (winter kills too severely to produce flowers) or the Van Dusen Botanical Garden.
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26 NOV 13 by
 jedmar
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Thank you, these gardens deleted from the listing.
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"Thanks for letting me know that one of my Roses got a Gold Medal in Holland and that it has been named Dr. F.L. Skinner. You certainly deserve the Honor but I am still a bit doubtful that the Rose deserves it - at least for our climate.
Please note it is a 1st generation hybrid of "Joanna Hill x R. altaica". I never got anything of value in its F2 seedlings but I have used it extensively in further crosses with H.T. x Laxa and H.T. x suffulta hybrids with very fair results. I have also used it as seed parent to pollen of Percy Wright's "Hazeldean" and last year one of the seedlings made a very fair showing. Flowers open yellow and fade to cream but they are more double and of better form than the seed parent "Dr.FL Skinner", and quite a bit hardier. It also had a tendency to repeat although I would not say true everblooming. It might well be worth introducing if no bad fault shows up on further testing.
For my own purpose I have tagged it "Jaidean". Under separate cover I am sending you scions of it and also scions of "Dr. F.L. Skinner" which Mr. McNeill tells me you lost your plants of."
Personal correspondence - Robert Simonet to Frank L. Skinner May 7, 1966
Province of Manitoba Archives
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18 JUL 09 by
jedmar
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Could the 'Jaidean' mentioned here be identical with 'Jean' by Simonet?
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I never made the connection when I typed the note. However, I believe you are correct. Good idea!
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"Dr. F.L. Skinner - Joanna Hill x altai
Not completely hardy, and not a heavy bloomer. Blooms once. Nevertheless, this is one of the choice beauties, worth growing if there is room. Blossoms large, semi-double pale amber yellow, with petals of good texture, opening hybrid tea form. Tends to open and bleach as it ages, but it is still one of the best."
Walter Schowalter, Alberta Canada notes 1985
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