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'Amélie Mansfield' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 166-669
most recent 7 APR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 APR by Orianne Courmes
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Discussion id : 166-668
most recent 7 APR HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 APR by Orianne Courmes
Available from - Roses Loubert
https://www.pepiniere-rosesloubert.com/catalogue,3/amelie-mansfield,994405.html
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Discussion id : 136-183
most recent 17 JAN 23 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 JAN 23 by odinthor
I was wondering where the dating of pre-1823 comes from. I don't see it in the references.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 17 JAN 23 by HMF Admin
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 17 JAN 23 by jedmar
The earliest reference added is 1846. 1823 might have been based on the publication of the full works on Mme Cottin, but the rose can well have been bred 20 years later.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 17 JAN 23 by odinthor
A new wave of interest in Mlle. Cottin's novels may have been sparked by, or represented by, another edition of her collected works in 1838. Another of her novels was "Malvina," and--while there was a handful of roses named 'Malvina' already by 1838, I do see the Vibert/V. Verdier Moss of that name coming out in 1841, and a -1845 Alba of that name. It thus could be that this 'Amélie de Mansfield' was another in this little ca. 1840 spate of Cottin-related roses. The original novel, published December 1802 or very near that ("1802" is on the title page), was "Amélie Mansfield," without the "de." But so soon as 1803 it was being referred to with the "de" in there, and later a drama from it with the "de" included came out. If you please, I'd suggest rejecting the -1823 introduction date in your listings, as I find no sign of the rose in question being around so early.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 17 JAN 23 by jedmar
We have already changed the 1823 date to "before 1842". The Malvina connection is quite striking.
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