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'Madame Mélanie Soupert' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 154-127
most recent 24 NOV 23 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 NOV 23 by Bug_girl
The 1913 Biltmore Rose Catalog, "A salmon-yellow Rose that has numerous admirers, particularly in the Old World, where the variety is better known. The flowers are borne freely, with delicate fragrance, and are large, very full and of fine form. The bush is tall at maturity, the canes vigorous but slender; the stems long and graceful. Worthy of cultivation in all gardens, yet not so well known in the country as it deserves to be. Could the Rosarian see this plant in full bloom, he would be delighted with the fragrance, form and color of the flowers."
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Discussion id : 20-232
most recent 22 NOV 19 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 JUL 07 by Peter Miller
Where is this rose? Does anybody have this in their garden?

Peter Miller
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 26 JUL 18 by Jonathan Ellis
(11 years later than the question)

I don't know where it might be now, but my mother used to have it in our own garden - and made a point of how rare it was, being unable to find it anywhere commercially.

Sue Lee, to give her actual name, had basically educated herself into being an expert on roses. We had a Melanie Soupert in the garden of the house I was born in, in Chorleywood, Herts - along with many other roses (and other interesting things as well - a herb garden, several ponds and water features, a greenhouse for fruit, and so on. Never a dull moment.) And she knew of its rarity.

Later on, we moved to Wells, in Somerset. And Mum, being Mum, took cuttings of all the roses from our old home, and tried to grow them in the garden of our new home. Several of the ones which were supposed to be sturdier actually failed, but Melanie Soupert - surprisingly, perhaps, given that the yellow-blend type of roses of that era were notoriously fragile (a thing that Mum always used to blame on descent from the wild Rosa Foetida) - was one of the survivors.

Later on she planted over a thousand different roses, just one of each bush, in our garden which was between 1/3 and 1/2 an acre in size, and opened it to the public under the name of "The Time Trail of Roses". They were arranged in a time trail of date-order of the rose's breeding (if it was a man-made hybrid) or the date of its first importation to Britain (if it was a wild one from elsewhere in the world). We never really got a lot of visitors - our best days would have maybe a couple of dozen - but it became something of a tourist attraction for the connoisseur.

And as the visitors came around the garden, I would often be found, either helping at the gate, or doing my piano practice in an outbuilding that had started life as a garage and been converted to a studio-flatlet, in which I lived (while I still lived at home) or visited (when visiting after I moved away), with visitors often enjoying the music as much as the roses: I'm a professional musician myself, a pianist.

As for Melanie Soupert? Mum tried to interest some of the rose growers of the UK and even Ireland in trying to revive it, even going as far as arranging for some of them (I believe that Peter Beales was one) to take cuttings: but none of them survived, and our own Melanie continued to be the only one that we knew of.

Unfortunately the garden did not survive Mum's increasing ill health over years: and when she died in early 2013 - of long-standing complications from poorly controlled diabetes, complicated also by a couple of minor strokes and eventual kidney failure - the house had to be sold off, and the new owners appear to have just taken everything out and reverted the whole thing back to lawn and shrub.

Still, I'm glad to have since found out that another Melanie Soupert has made it back, even if it did come all the way from Japan...
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 27 JUL 18 by Patricia Routley
I enjoyed reading that very much Jonathan. It is a great pity, but seems to be a fact, that gardens only last as long as their owners. Are there any photos of your mother's 'Mme. Melanie Soupert'? I have often wondered if an Australian foundling "Smart's Rose", syn "Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold" could possibly be 'Mme. Melanie Soupert'. I think the delicate colour in this foundling is the most beautiful of all my roses.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 22 NOV 19 by Patricia Routley
I have seen a private photograph of ‘Mme. Melanie Soupert’, provenance Trevor Griffiths in New Zealand. It looked similar to a ‘Souvenir de la Malmaison’ type of bloom. I suggested to the photographer that it may be ‘Clotilde Soupert’.

I have just added The 2006 reference from Trevor Griffiths 2006 book Memory of Old Roses and I am guessing that the budwood he received in the mail, may well have come from Sue Lee.

Does anybody ese have any photos of the rose grown in New Zealand as ‘Mme. Melanie Soupert‘.
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Discussion id : 15-167
most recent 29 NOV 06 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 NOV 06 by jedmar

George C. thomas lists a Climbing Mme Mélanie Soupert as follows:


CL. MME. MELANIE SOUPERT. (Cl.HT.) Burrell & Co. 1914


Not hardy in Cen. Zone, but has remarkably beautiful flowers; stems also good.


Source: "Roses for All American Climates", New York 1924. p. 163


 

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Reply #1 of 1 posted 29 NOV 06 by HMF Admin
Thank you very much for providing this additional information for these roses.  You help is greatly appreciated by HMF and the rose community.
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