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Discussion id : 128-722
most recent 9 AUG 21 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 8 AUG 21 by Nicolarose
On Helpmefind the Duftwolke rose was bred in 1956, but one of the parents "prima ballerina" rose was bred in 1957. How is it possibile? What's wrong?
Reply #1 of 3 posted 8 AUG 21 by jedmar
Good point. You will see that 'Duftwolke' was bred 1956, but introduced 1963. Most sources give 1963/64 as the year of introduction. A period of 7 years between breeding and actual introduction is not unusual for commercial roses: It takes a couple of years to find out if the rose is worthwhile, then 1-2 years to propagate enough plants for the introduction. In the case of 'Prima Ballerina' we only have the year of introduction as 1957, even though it says "Bred 1957". I imagine this rose was actually bred around 1950, but we have no sources which would corroborate that.
What is somewhat surprising is the pollen parent 'Montezuma', which was introduced 1955. This is actually too short a time before 1956 for it to have been the parent of 'Duftwolke'. As 'Montezuma' participated at the Geneva trials in 1955, it must have been around already in 1953. It seems that Tantau got hold of the plant at an even earlier date. Maybe took some pollen at one of Swim's trial beds?
Reply #2 of 3 posted 9 AUG 21 by Nicolarose
Thank you for your answer. So... Is it impossible to know the year of breding of Prima ballerina and Montezuma?
Reply #3 of 3 posted 9 AUG 21 by jedmar
It was not published. The breeders have their records of course, but they are usually very reticent in divulging information.
Discussion id : 124-506
most recent 25 DEC 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 24 DEC 20 by Cambridgelad
Introduced in 1965 by Harry Wheatcroft and Sons.

Ref. 1965 National Rose Society Annual
Reply #1 of 1 posted 25 DEC 20 by Patricia Routley
Thank you for The Rose Annual year. I have had to search through the Annual for the page number and found a couple of extra references I have added these and the introducer.
Discussion id : 123-082
most recent 27 AUG 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 AUG 20 by chubite
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Discussion id : 121-697
most recent 21 MAY 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 21 MAY 20 by Planetrj (zone 11b/H2 pH 5.8)
Now on 5 years of growth originally from a cutting, I believe this is another one of those stories where some HT's especially do better when grown on their own roots. I've seen so much solid evidence on (not only) robustness, but also the ability to have such perfectly formed and nicely opening buds. There's no comparison.
This one seemed to start out slow the first year, then the second year showed a little promise, but by the third year, FC was a nice strong grower. It seemingly appreciates a hillside, where the roots have a good chance to experience water, but never setting on the roots. Secondly, it also does amazingly with all morning sun and shade by 2pm. Many years back, I had this one as a bud graft, and it seemed to lack the depth of the color hues, and I certainly don't recall the irridescence in the petals as I see now (the photos I supplied display this well). It reminds one of the irridescence of Dolly Parton HT.
If there was one drawback with this particular specimen, it would be the lack of longer stems. Though it tends to have a very oversized (5 1/2" flower), they never flop, even in rain, simply because the stems are firm and stout.
Lastly, the fragrance character on this is superb. A deep clove with a hint of damask and marzapan. It's always a favorite in the vase.
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