'Terracotta ®' rose reviews and comments

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'Terracotta ®' rose Reviews & Comments

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Discussion id : 15-811 most recent yesterday SHOW ALL

Initial post 5 JAN 07 by missy396

I have been a fan of this rose since August of 1999. A local florist here in Los Angeles would get them quite frequently. I am a bit confused about a couple of things: How is Nola Simpson and Meilland related to this rose? Is there another rose with the name SIMchoca? When and where will this be available to purchase for California?Thanks,Missy	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by HMF supporting member

Miliaah

I know it's been a long time since these questions were asked, but since they seem to never have been answered - and in case others were wondering, I've gathered some intel:

- This Terracotta® rose, MEIcobuis, was discovered by Meilland in France during 1994. As the odd one out growing among roses of the Léonidas/MEIcofum variety, the new variety was believed to be a mutation thereof, showing new distinct characteristics. This is described in the US PP invention summary.

- Nola Simpson is, as far as I could gather, not related to this rose. However, as you mentioned, there is another rose commonly known as Terracotta: the Chocolate Prince/SIMchoca. The confusion occurs as it is often accredited to Meilland, albeit being invented by Nola Simpson (in New Zealand in 2001). This is due to Nola Simpson having her rose accepted for world release by/through the Meilland company (as mentioned by Peter Elliott in the 2002 New Zealand Rose Annual on p. 60). This relation is what stuck, though the context has somewhat faded away.

Discussion id : 73-816 most recent 26 NOV 20 SHOW ALL

Initial post 31 AUG 13 by bluebuster77

Reply #1 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Currently, there are no US sources, but there have been in the past. It's also quite possible florist stock was propagated and shared from one garden to another. There has been much of that here in California over the past thirty years. There have been many rose society auctions which have distributed an amazing selection of old, rare and unusual roses across the state.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by bluebuster77

Reply #3 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

You're welcome. The major upcoming auction is the CCRS Auction in November The information about it is here at this link.

http://www.ccrsauction.com/index.php

There are silent and live auctions on several hundred roses, some of which are not commercially available in the US currently. I think you will really enjoy the archival information available on the site about the past three years' auctions. The Ventura County Rose Society held amazing auctions for several years, all of which were Jim Delahanty's projects. I doubt with his passing, those will continue. The VCRS auctions also had some pretty wild catalogs, which became reference works, particularly for the "found" roses they contain.

The Sacramento Historic Cemetery has their Garden Celebration usually in April Their site is here.

http://www.cemeteryrose.org/

Jeri Jennings has created some wonderful catalogs for their sales which have also become reference works for the old, rare and found roses they contain. These special events can significantly open your eyes to some pretty wonderful roses you may not have been exposed to any other way. You'll enjoy them.

Reply #4 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by bluebuster77

Reply #5 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

You're welcome! The VCRS has a propagation demonstration for their November 21 meeting. Burling Leong will demonstrate her chip budding method. Clay Jennings will demo his rooting method and I will demo the "Burrito Method" of wrapping cuttings. The date, time and address are on their web site here. http://www.venturarose.org/calendar.htm	REPLY

Reply #6 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by bluebuster77

I saw on the society calendar. I'm very familiar with burrito method, is this rooting on the main plant without cutting the branches? We been using this method on any kind of tropical plants in south east Asia region. Is this success in roses? Wonderful, I definitely want to see this	REPLY

Reply #7 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

What you describe is layering or air layering. This requires removal of the cutting to wrap. I've detailed the process I was introduced to on my blog.

http://pushingtheroseenvelope.blogspot.com/2011/05/wrapping-cuttings.html

Beginning at the above link and reading the successive posts forward will provide you with all the information (including detailed photographs) gleaned to date about the subject. It relies upon some of the same responses as layering, but differs in key points.

Reply #8 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by bluebuster77

Reply #9 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Once you get the method tweaked to your conditions and climate, it can be a very easy, highly successful method. It's enabled me to root roses in my conditions when nothing else has worked well.	REPLY

Reply #10 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by bluebuster77

Very simple and easy, i wrapped few cuttings. Only question on this method is that how to dip in hormone? is it just like normally dipping base of cuttings? Or Entire cutting? Because I saw roots emerge from most of the knots, MAGIC! I used mist box method previously and success is only 10-20%.	REPLY

Reply #11 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Just dip the bottom ends of the cuttings in the hormone of your choice. Some are going to root beautifully without any hormone. Some are going to fight you every step of the way. The hormone is not absolutely required, but it usually couldn't hurt!	REPLY

Reply #12 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by bluebuster77

Reply #13 of 31 posted 31 AUG 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Reply #18 of 31 posted 8 SEP 13 by bluebuster77

Kim You're a magician of propagation. What a great method that prove me reality. This is awesome! I used your method with 6 cuttings, including Vendera florist rose from my mom flower bouquet. Only a week I'm so curious what is going on? I open the burrito and found small young roots are forming 4 out of 6 cuttings, seemingly all are in great shape. Thanks again Kim	REPLY

Reply #19 of 31 posted 8 SEP 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Congratulations! Actually, you must be the "magician". This method doesn't work in my climate this time of year with actively growing cuttings. I only succeed with it here in late winter to early summer with dormant material. Good job! If they are actually rooting, it might be time to plant them. The longer they remain in the wraps without light, the more stored resources they use up. They need light to photosynthesize food for themselves. Now comes the hard part. Planting them where they will receive light without cooking or drying up. You might want to take a look on my blog, paying attention to how deeply I plant them to start so they get some light, but remain cooler, damper and darker to encourage root development until they fill the bottoms of the pots. Good luck!

Reply #20 of 31 posted 8 SEP 13 by bluebuster77

Reply #21 of 31 posted 8 SEP 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

If you have a green house where you can harden them off and let them mature where they won't fry, that would be great. I don't, so I experimented until I discovered planting them deeply so only the top inch or so of the cutting remained out of the soil where the sun could hit it worked for me here. That has permitted them to begin feeding themselves while the roots continue developing without them drying out and frying when the sun and air are too hot and dry. You'll have to experiment where you are to see what works best for you this time of the year.

Reply #22 of 31 posted 8 SEP 13 by HMF supporting member

Jay-Jay

I discovered that some hours early morning sun do the trick, and in the beginning I cover the potted cuttings with a sandwich bag out of thin polypropyleen, held in place by an elastic band. (to keep the cuttings moist) After a week or so, I make a cut in the plastic bag with a knife and open that slit little by little (to prevent moulding) during the next days, until it can be taken off.	REPLY

Reply #23 of 31 posted 8 SEP 13 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

I would fear covering anything with any kind of plastic here in much of California this time of year. It's too hot and too sunny. It would be like microwaving them in a very short period of time. Where it's cooler in comparison, as it is in your garden in The Netherlands, Jay Jay, absolutely, that should work just fine.	REPLY

Reply #14 of 31 posted 1 SEP 13 by HMF supporting member

Jay-Jay

Reply #15 of 31 posted 1 SEP 13 by bluebuster77

Reply #16 of 31 posted 1 SEP 13 by HMF supporting member

Jay-Jay

It did work for me at rooting the cuttings of the sport of Mozart, that I became of Maurice Reybaud. See the comments at this photo: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=21.173730&threadID=58112&tab=32	REPLY

Reply #17 of 31 posted 1 SEP 13 by bluebuster77

Reply #27 of 31 posted 23 NOV 20 by HMF supporting member

jmile

I got my original Terra Cotta from Carlton Nursery many years ago. I don't know where HMF gets their info but mine is over 6 feet tall.	REPLY

Reply #28 of 31 posted 23 NOV 20 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Help Me Find obtains information from official ARS publications as well as from the rose breeder and introducers. Other information comes from those who grow the roses, such as your comment.	REPLY

Reply #29 of 31 posted 23 NOV 20 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

6-8 feet is very unusual for this type of HT. Sounds almost like a climbing sport. Would be good to get the opinion of Mathias Meilland.	REPLY

Reply #30 of 31 posted 25 NOV 20 by HMF supporting member

jmile

Roses tend to get really large around here. My roses are planted in old horse manure combined with the alfalfa that I fed the horses. The soil is rich topsoil from the Sacramento Valley. I have a Touch of Class that has entwined in a pine tree that is way over my head. Healthy soil makes healthy plants. (and lots of weeds)	REPLY

Reply #31 of 31 posted 26 NOV 20 by HMF supporting member

HMF Admin

And this is what makes HMF so useful - collecting and organizing the experience of specific varieties in specific regions/conditions. Thank you for your participation.	REPLY

Reply #24 of 31 posted 2 NOV 17 by HMF supporting member

jmile

If you are still looking for Terra Cotta----I have sent some cuttings to K and M Roses to be grafted onto Fortuniana root stock. According to Jim Mills, these cuttings are doing great. They have been hardened and are being transfered into 1 gallon pots. If you would just like cuttings to start own root, I will send you cuttings. My Terra Cotta is a beast. It is 8 feet tall and it blooms all the time. The blooms are huge. Most of them are huge sprays.

Reply #25 of 31 posted 2 NOV 17 by bluebuster77

Reply #26 of 31 posted 23 AUG 19 by HMF supporting member

jmile

Are you still looking for Terracotta? I have several ---- It is a very healthy monster of a rose. I love the color in my garden. It is next to Out of Africa. They make quite a duo.	REPLY

Discussion id : 57-263 most recent 16 SEP 11 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 16 SEP 11 by HMF supporting member

Kathy Strong

A favorite of mine. The only way to describe the color of this rose is luminescent. It has a sheen similar to satin cloth that I've not seen in any other rose, and which cannot be captured on camera (I've tried). It's hard to believe the claim that this is a sport of Leonidas. It is nothing like that variety -- this one doesn't have the major mildew problems and the color is stable -- it does not turn bright orange in the sun.

Discussion id : 40-436 most recent 12 NOV 09 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 12 NOV 09 by John Moody

The Meilland bred russett hybrid tea "Terracotta" or "My Lovely" is no longer carried by Hortico which is quite a shame as that leaves no vendors for this lovely hybrid tea here in North America. So you can contact me for information on how to get one. John Moody	REPLY