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'Bienvenu' rose Reviews & Comments
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22 NOV 12 by
 goncmg
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Pulling apart the history of AARS, I truly DO want to know what HAPPENED with this one? The breeder was huge, the color was TRENDY.........the form, full and often amazingly good and star shaped was "of the moment"............2 years later, in 1971, COMMAND PERFORMANCE would win AARS and it looks quite a lot like BIENVENU but lacks any sort of fragrance...........COMANCHE, by the same breeder as Bienvenu, won AARS the year Bienvenu got released as well and although a GOOD rose, Comanche has extremely sparse foliage and is a very awkward rose to classify, its bush form, loose and sparse, reminds me of 1937's Contrast...............did Bienvenu get entered into the AARS trials? Did Swim/Weeks overlook it? Because, with that star shaped bloom that quite often has shockingly good form, it really COULD have been a winner of that highest award..............and a side-note, Verna Weeks discussed in an early 70's ARS annual how Weeks named their roses and admitted this odd name was simply pulled from a hat.................
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22 NOV 12 by
jedmar
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I can imagine two reasons for the disappearance of these roses:
- orange and orange-red was a fashion colour in the early 70s (I had lamps, tableware, seats, etc.) and then was suddenly Mega-out, as they say today.
- the roses of the time were often susceptible to blackspot and mildew
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Unless Command Performance performed better in the various AARS test gardens. In some climates, Bienvenu may be great, but if the scores were higher across the board for CP, even with the more sparse foliage and awkward plant, it's quite possible for it to outclass Bienvenu. It's also quite possible Command Performance was easier to produce.
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Going to take the historical view and guess Impatient, Trumpeter, Prominent, New Year, and Shreveport steamrolled the rest. 3 were closer to true orange, and 2 were short enough be more aesthetic (orange at eye level can be hard to place in many landscapes).
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Another possibility we've not considered is how the AARS selections were made. Part of it was how the rose scored across the test gardens, but another part, not advertised, was whose "turn" it was to win. Yes, some won seemingly more than their "fair share" but there were rumblings throughout the eighties and early nineties that some higher scoring roses were overlooked due to it being someone else's turn to win. Remember, those who selected the winners were also those who submitted roses for trial.
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AARS was my favorite marketing gimmick :P That's essentially what it was. There were a few good AARS winners though, but that's like saying you still get a dollar back every few lottery tickets lol.
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7 JAN 16 by
goncmg
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As of 1/16, K&M no longer lists this and I had that confirmed via email with them. So no grower sells it and appears almost no garden grows it. Too solid of a variety to lose!!!
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6 SEP 12 by
goncmg
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The photo posted here is, in my opinion, spot-on including the almost shiney/waxy sheen to the petals.....past reference material I own dated close to this one's initial release state that it is very fragrant. That I would not agree with but there is some scent......the buds remind me of Kordes Perfecta being squat-square and unattractive, but somehow a very full quite formal bloom emerges.....
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