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'Lillian' rose Reviews & Comments
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What is the authority for 'Lillan' being incorrect and 'Lillian' being correct?
I see that Tantau '82 has it as 'Lillan', as does Kordes the same year. Some other partisans of 'Lillan' are Krüssmann; Vladimir Nikolaevich Bylov, Nikolai Leonidovich Mikhailov, Elena Ivanovna Surina (Розы, 1988); the 1968 publication of Forskning og forsøk i landbruket; and Modern Roses XI (2000), 10 (1993), and 9 (1986), which represents a presumably intentional change from Modern Roses 6, which has it as 'Lillian' (I don't have MR7 and 8 at hand to consult).
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#1 of 7 posted
4 NOV 23 by
 Lee H.
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Sometime between 11 and 12, the ARS changed their mind again. This is from 12:
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#2 of 7 posted
4 NOV 23 by
odinthor
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Thanks!
I wonder if this much-buffeted variety will ever achieve stability . . . ?
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#3 of 7 posted
4 NOV 23 by
jedmar
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Never if they cannot agree on DeVink or De Vink!
What if both spellings were correct? 'Lillan' would make perfect sense in continental Europe: it means "little one" in Swedish. And 'Lillian' for the Americans.
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#4 of 7 posted
5 NOV 23 by
Jay-Jay
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It is J. de Vink and the rose is named Baby Lilian (as mentioned in HMF), but in the same article there is a rose mentioned Lillian... But not Lillan.
The info is from the article D W E R G R O Z E N by H. J. v a n d e L a a r.
Can be found in the WUR depot from the Wageningen University.
edepot.wur.nl/276889
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#5 of 7 posted
5 NOV 23 by
jedmar
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Thank you, Jay-Jay. Reference added. What van der Laar is saying, is that he does not consider 'Lillian' a miniature.
The existence of the miniature 'Baby Lilian' also points to a larger 'Lilian'
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#6 of 7 posted
5 NOV 23 by
Jay-Jay
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#7 of 7 posted
5 NOV 23 by
odinthor
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That's along the lines of what I'm thinking--that at some point someone unfamiliar with name "Lillan" thought it was a typo and "corrected" it to "Lillian."
Just to make distinctions: The Baby Lilian one is a very apricot shade of pink (I've seen a photo of it, I believe in the Pinney book on Miniature roses), the Lillan/Lillian one is a decided rose red.
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