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'MACsatur' rose Reviews & Comments
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Just for the record, I am wondering if there was some mixup between the McGredy roses:
Saturday no code name. pink HT 1990
Penthouse MACsatur. (syn ‘Pink Charm’) pink HT 1988
Richard Huber in Switzerland carried ‘Saturday’ for a few years. Does anyone have any old catalogues? Was a code name for ‘Saturday’ listed therein?
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#1 of 5 posted
19 MAY 21 by
 Johno
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The plant label and my ROSA reference, p 426 give the release date for MACsatur as 1988 rather than the description date of 1975
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Johno, I don’t know what your ROSA reference is, but I will presume it is connected with the American Rose Society.
Many years ago I obtained copies of Sam McGredy’s hand-written breeding records. I was having awful problems with finding parentages being bred after the rose, due mainly to registration coming many years later. Good meaning people tried to help me and said that Bred meant the date it was registered. Bred to me means a different thing and I determind, because the HelpMeFind word was Bred (in Origin when selecting a breeder) that was what I would use.
Sam McGredy left meticulous records and I prepared a long listing of his roses typed in chronological order. It took me at least six months of carefully deciphering Sam’s scrawl and I think my eyesight started to deteriorate from that time on. However, it was in actual fact, a joyful exercise and he made me laugh many times.
When Sam McGredy first budded a rose, it was given a final field year and number. e.g. in ‘Saturday’s case 75/483. These final field year numbers are the year HelpMeFind has used as "bred". Hence he bred it in 1975 and it wasn’t released until 1988. (See 1988 reference).
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#3 of 5 posted
19 MAY 21 by
Johno
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Reference is 'Rosa - The official Registry and Checklist' Second Edition published by The International Cultivar Registration Authority (which is maintained by the American Rose Society)
You were especially lucky to get hold of Sam's notes which I hope you have hung on to for historical reasons.
For most cultivars you never know the actual year the pollen was spread as breeders don't release this information. All one has to go on is registration date (therefore bred before x date) and the release date.
What threw me today was trying to work out which Penthouse my photo referred to when there was confusion of names, codes and dates. Most plant labels have the release date as this is when the 20 year PBR starts.
The answer is to provide both dates when it is known, and I know HMF usually does this in the description.
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#4 of 5 posted
19 MAY 21 by
jedmar
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Patricia, no code name listed for 'Saturday' in the Huber catalogue. For Penthouse' I have added several references with the breeder code MACnauru.
I think the ARS listing MACnauru = MACsatur is incorrect.
Need to check the synonym 'Pink Charm', too.
In the 1990 Huber catalogue, 'Saturday' = 'Happy Days', but no longer the following year.
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Johno - not lucky. I just wanted to know and believe I was the only person who ever really looked at his material in depth. Sam donated his breeding records to the Auckland Botanc Garden in 2008.. When I requested a copy in 2016, I was the only person who had requested them in eight years. However, I believe he also shared his records with the ARS. The publication The Roses of Sam McGredy IV 1952-2008 are part of his records. Take a little scroll through the plants listed - on my way through I added references to anything at all that I thought could be important. I am very happy to share my research on Sam McGredy’s roses with you.
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