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"Gill Rose" Reviews & Comments
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You have this rose listed as available from Antique Rose Emporium (Brenham, Texas) . I checked their site and don't see it, is this an error?
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Is this Ocvatus Weld?
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I think it might be 'Spray Cecile Brunner', theycallmejoe.
"Octavus Weld" and 'Spray Cecile Brunner' share a number of the characteristics you've illustrated here, though "Octavus Weld" has smooth pedicels and 'Spray Cecile Brunner' has glandular ones, and the blooms of 'Spray Cecile Brunner' are smaller.
The fragrance is as you describe and my bush of 'SCB' looks just like your picture.
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Ahh. Thanks for that! I did look up Mlle. CB and Jules Thibaud when trying to identify this rose, but I didn't think to look up the spray version. I'm actually delighted at what it is--a super tough, surviving, floriferous, healthy plant with a first class fragrance. But now to get my hands on Octavus Weld!
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Which state are you in? Some I can send cuttings to, others not.
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Leaves on mature plant are less serrated and more glossy than on my infant cutting grown plant. BIG fragrance for a tiny rose. Spicy, soapy, rosy--does not smell like tea--and really travels in the wind. It began to pop out so many flower buds at 4 months old. I removed most but let a couple bloom to see what was what.
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7 JUL 14 by
 hebe
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Not doing very well, but that may the position I have it in. It's covered in scale, and rather leafless. I was going to remove it, but the winter blooms are such a lovely milky pink it's going to get some tlc instead.
Actually, I've realised that it was doing very well till I moved it, and I've read under Angel's Camp Tea on this site (presuming it is the same rose) that it hates to be pruned hard, which I did when I moved it, as it had been in the ground a year. The blooms are some of the loveliest in my garden.
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"Octavus Weld" was very slow to establish here. During its first eight or so years, it had severe mildew twice a year that really set it back. Each time it defoliated and appeared to be close to giving up trying. And then a couple of months later - there it was covered in foliage again and the loveliest blooms. Wonderful in the cooler months! I love your description of the 'lovely milky pink' blooms.
Twenty years down the track, it still has that delicacy of appearance but it's very tough in its way. It uses its neighbours for support and spreads and stretches for the maximum amount of light. On one side, it grapples with an over-enthusiastic Eureka Lemon, and is holding its own.
I hope your "Octavus Weld" is still going and getting a little stronger each year.
Some of these especially long-lived ones are delicate children and uncertain adolescents but mature into very fine, strong roses.
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That reminds me, I must try this one.
Looking at your photos of it, Billy. Would I be right in thinking it tends to do the "dishevelled parrot" impersonations in hot weather, with less scruffy form in cooler weather?
Also, your photo here - http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.217793 - indicates that the newish growth is fairly free of thorns. Is this generally the case?
(I really like the elongated leaves in that shot too)
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Yes! The scruffy dishevelled ones come in hot weather and the more refined ones need cooler weather. It's surprisingly cold here at the moment - everyone's complaining because we're not used to it - and "Octavus Weld" is in glorious full bloom. The changing colours have a wonderful subtlety in the cooler weather. I do love all the faces of this very variable rose but I think the winter blooms are the most beautiful.
As far as the prickles go, again it's a case of incorrigibly variable. I picked about twenty long stems the other day and some had hardly any prickles while some had lots.
Are you looking for thornless roses?
There are some very good and underappreciated ones. Alister Clark's 'Restless' and 'Sunlit' are very good roses - they bloom most days of the year here.
The climber 'Marie Nabonnand' which used to be sold as "Beales' Mons. Tillier" or just Mons Tillier is excellent. Glorious fragrance, lovely healthy foliage (nice long leaflets), happy to try its hand at any situation that can handle a climbing rose - and thornless. Also keeps flowering into the winter in milder areas.
Back to "Octavus Weld" - I really like those elongated leaflets too. Even when old and sprawly it's a delicate-looking rose with those slender stems, petite looking buds and those elongated leaflets.
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Will definitely have to get an Octavus then. Maybe next year.
I had thought I should find a spot for a 'Restless' too. 'Sunlit' is currently sitting just across the room from me. Arrived in the post yesterday, along with the rest of that list I mentioned in a PM. 'Marie Nabonnand' looks excellent. Thanks for the tip. :)
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2 JUN 16 by
hebe
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Hi Billy, strangely I cut back Octavus Weld, in order to remove him, the day before you posted this! All my roses suffered serious dieback last year, and I've removed many as a result. I was hoping OC would recover, but he looked so poorly I'm finally removing him too.
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