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'Vulcain' rose Reviews & Comments
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Vulcain (1861 Verdier) Hybrid Perpetual doesn't exist any more in Roseraie du Val de Marne France
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#1 of 1 posted
13 NOV 20 by
 jedmar
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According to the second reference it is a seedling of General Jacqueminot
The Horticulturist and Journal od Rural Art and Rural Taste, 1861 - page 134
Vulcain , deep fiery scarlet, with heavy shade of black maroon on lower petals; good form..
The Florist and Pomologist, 1861 - page 341
Vulcain, H.P. — Vigorous ; flowers not quite full, lively deep purple violet, shaded with black, blooming in clusters ; very free flowering, and producing a fine effect; a seedling of General Jacqueminot.
The Journal of Horticulture, Cottage Gardener and Country Gentleman, 1862 page 250.
H.P. Vulcain (Verdier et Fils). – Rich velvety plum or dark purplish-maroon; colour fine, distinct, and very striking; petals shell-shaped and of good substance; flowers finely formed and quite full when expanded; habit moderate. A fine, distinct, and novel flower.
The Gardener’s Weekly Magazine, and Floricultural Cabinet. 1863 - page 211
Vulcain, deep purple, shading to black, medium size, better than Reine des Violettes;
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Thank you Bruna. References and parentage added. I have presumed the General Jacqueminot was the HP, and not the China.
Am glad to hear from you. We gardeners are about the luckiest people in the world right now as most of us are able to get out and tend beauty in our gardens.
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#2 of 7 posted
29 APR 20 by
Cà Berta
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You are right, Patricia. .. a lot of spare time to try and identify old beauties, as well! I think that the General Jacqueminot involved is the Laffay's one (being smooth as velvet and crimson ..). Also the general aspect looks similar (free and vigorous). Although I see quite a lot of Gloire de Rosomanes in this rose , so it might well be the HP one. So " seedling of General Jacqueminot " and we will some time (hopefully) find out.
Have a good day and keep safe.
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#3 of 7 posted
29 APR 20 by
Cà Berta
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PS Having looked at the seedlings of Laffay's General Jacqueminot it comes out that 1) they are just two; 2) one of them (La Nantaise) actually is seedling of the HP;. .... It is thus unlikely that this hybrid china was a good fertile parent for Vulcan.
Further, the lack of photo of the Laffay's does not help to solve the little mistery.
Apparently that rose is still existing in two gardens in Australia. Do you have any information/photo of those specimens ? Thank you
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That would be Pat Toolan’s garden, and the beautiful Barossa Old Rose Repository that Pat helps with.
Pat - is the ‘General Jacqueminot’ you grow, the hybrid china or the hybrid perpetual?
Général Jacqueminot (Hybrid China, Laffay, 1846)
Général Jacqueminot (hybrid perpetual, Roussel, 1853)
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It would be the HP Patricia if it is correct. One I had was from the late Esmond Jones who sent me cuttings. I think I have lost the plant at home due to the drought but the other maybe candidate is still in the Lindner garden and being cared for plus a struggling plant in the Barossa Repository. All were possible candidates.
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Thanks Pat. You need to delete the hybrid China listing and add in the hybrid perpetual to the Repository listing.
This is a WONDERFUL time for all to update their garden’s rose listings on HelpMeFind.
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#7 of 7 posted
29 APR 20 by
Cà Berta
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Thank you Pat and Patricia
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