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'Violet sans Aiguillons' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 87-794
most recent 23 FEB 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 12 SEP 15 by scvirginia
The earliest references for this rose all call it a Hybrid China or Bengal, not a Noisette. A few later references call it a Noisette. Possibly there was a Noisette of the same name, or maybe just a difference in opinion about how the same rose should be classed?

I think the description page should say this is a Hybrid China; I don't know if the rose described as a Noisette is the same, but a tricky bit is that the earliest references say 'Violet sans Aiguillons' has a uniformly deep violet bloom. while a few other references describe a violet rose that has a crimson center (at least when the bloom first opens).

Also, just to confuse things further, the 1861 German reference is the only one to describe this as a climbing rose, but it doesn't class the rose as a Hybrid China or a Noisette.

Any thoughts?
Virginia
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 13 SEP 15 by jedmar
Agreed. All the contemporary sources state that this is a hybrid china of uniform (dark) violet colour. Only Singer in 1885, who probably hasn't seen this rose in natura, and later authors claim it is a purple/crimson noisette.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 13 SEP 15 by scvirginia
Thanks very much.

I wonder if the 'habit' section on the description page should say 'climbing'?

Thanks again,
Virginia
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 SEP 15 by jedmar
I am not sure,there is only this one reference which states climber. It is possibly a shrub which can be trained as a climber, but as it is lost, it does not make much sense to add that.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 14 SEP 15 by Patricia Routley
But what if it is not? It is highly likely that an 1828 rose is long gone, but I think Virginia might be considering 'Violet sans Aiguillons' for "Matchmaker"
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 23 FEB 16 by ronymaxwell
I've always understood that any shrub rose will grow as a climber if supported.
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Discussion id : 16-953
most recent 21 MAY 08 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 26 FEB 07 by DebiP
Does anyone know of where I can buy a thornless rose bush?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 27 FEB 07 by Unregistered Guest
Try "Old Smoothie" Red Tea, their are a whole series of thornless roses with smoothie

Click on where to buy after looking up the rose
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 MAY 08 by bindia
I don't want to pressure you, but I have on auction on eBay. I do not know its name, and this is why I came to this site. I have not found one yet that looks or is described like the one I have. I have pictures in my auction. My username is devutish, so if you can find that on eBay, you can find the items I have up for sale. This rose starts out as cream colored petals, with some ruby-pink/red on the outside of the petal. The inside of the petal's cream turns more and more pink as the flower ages. It is a very full and large flower, anywhere from 3-6" across. The only place I have found thorns is on the underside of the center stem of the leaves. Please feel free to contact me if you cannot find the auction. I have two plants up right now, but have several more well rooted and vigorously growing cuttings. I planted this bush on my dear doggie when he died almost four years ago, and this rose has really loved this. I have the auction as an eternity auction to keep him alive in all of the plants that come off of that rose bush.

Thanks,
Bindia
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