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'Québec' rose Reviews & Comments
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25 JAN 12 by
 goncmg
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Who out there is currently growing this and might be able to help me? I got a band of this from Rogue, March '11. The rose I received is YELLOW but I am pretty sure is not Mme Marie Curie from all pictures I have seen here and in reference books. My plant produces rather exhibition form blooms, very full, 60 petals at least and the color is on the paler side of medium yellow shading to cream at the petal tips. When the bloom is fully open, the petals reflex giving the bloom a star shape. Leaves are medium green and more matte. It only produces one to a stem. It does NOT blackspot for me, nor mildew (and I had a terrible problem with mildew in 11 in 6a Columbus), which that alone makes me think whatever I have cannot possibly be 69 years old.........I wish I had a picture...........Rogue, bless them, sent me some zingers this year and admitted in 11 they had huge issues with mislabeling, at least this one is the righ1t color and class.............I have grown a lot of roses never one that this one could be/is............any help or insight would be most appreciated..............
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Mine is a grafted plant imported from Pickering before they took this out of their catalog. It is a beautiful unfading light yellow with globular form and soft petal texture, very much like an old tea. See my photo uploads for more info
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#2 of 11 posted
27 APR 14 by
goncmg
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GREAT PICS! I have what you have, so I guess I have it? It is just those pics of a looser bloom, deeper yellow, with prominent yellow stamens (like Ami posted and also in a few ref books) which got me wondering. Maybe we both have it, maybe we don't. But your great pics are absolutely of what I have. You seem to specialize in varieties up to maybe 1950? I pick up where you leave off, 1950-1990 and really at this point, 1960-1990. Cherry-Vanilla seems an aberration to your collection but is one of my favorite roses of all time! ORANGE RUFFELS! I MISS IT! Steve Singer at Wisconsin Roses has custom budded for me the past several years---come late summer would you be open to maybe trading some budwood? Anything I have for some eyes to send to Steve Singer of Orange Ruffels?
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Sure, Let's trade. I grew a Cherry Vanilla years ago own root and would love to have it again. The grafted original of Orange Ruffles is at my Parents house in Texas and dates from a 2002 home depot purchase. Check out my Texas garden to see pictures of it. It will grow well Own root though, at least in Florida and Texas. I'm sure mine has mosaic virus though. It's going into the ground this month from a 15 gallon pot, along with Helen Hayes and Dr. Brownell, which is one of my favorite roses. Still have "Opera" or is it gone?
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#5 of 11 posted
29 APR 14 by
goncmg
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I still have Opera---or what was sold as Opera and is pictured here. All the ref books i have indicate Opera should be scarlet with yellow towards the base and some yellow on the reverse. Everything pictured on hmf is magenta-pink, more like the Pernetiana "Cuba" (which I have, which I adore and which may interest you), and what is pictured here is also what I have. You are welcome to it! I have 2 budded Cherry-Vanilla and one huge, monster own root plant. CV seems to do better own root?? So few do. Thanks for disclosing a few of yours show signs of mosaic but that doesn't concern me at all. My CV own root is VID from Vintage/UC Davis and the budded's are from eyes on that plant so all my CV should be VID.
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Regarding "Opera", Whatever that rose really is, something about the bloom coloration is very special. I welcome any trades, and once my potted plants produce more canes and I plant them in the ground I will list them on HMF. I would be interested in Cuba too.
Do you have Thanksgiving by Warriner ? It bloomed for the first time today and was very cool, very dramatic coloration. Ever try Ivory Tower? I have that here and it produces nice exhibition type flowers. What about My Choice? One of my favorites. I lost my plant, at my parents in Texas, in 2011 but have just acquired a replacement. Another one I love is Maria Stern. She can get very large and darkens with age on the bush but lightens with age in the vase. Sometime the blooms get pumpkin orange tints as well. I have a VID clone from Pickering, in the ground since 2011.
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#8 of 11 posted
1 MAY 14 by
goncmg
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Just looked at pics of Maria Stern. Gorgeous, exactly what I love---orange, orange-red, anything coral. I've known the name forever just never really looked at the rose! My color AND my "dates" so this is on my short list now! Yes, I do have Warriner's Thanksgiving and agree it is really uniquely colored. One of his earliest and a very "un-Warriner" rose to me. Gets as close to brown as anything for me.....have you ever grown Fandango? It is right there with what is/isn't Opera and Cuba with that brilliant pink-red shot with yellow coloring. Mine died, Vintage is closing, but if you can track it down you'd love it I think! And yes, I also have Ivory Tower. I love/hate it! Just when I am sick of seeing nothing but thorns and mildew it will bang out a basal with an insanely perfect bloom atop it. It generally is very light apricot for me....I think I posted a pic of it on here.....grow it both own root and budded. It is skinnier and taller own root.
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I may have found a near 30 year old plant of Fandango right here in Chipley. I took cuttings but if they don't root I know where the plant is. See my comments under Fandango.
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#10 of 11 posted
2 MAY 14 by
goncmg
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Can you take a pic of it? I DID see your post. Seems too good to be true but hey, weirder things have happened!!!!!
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I'll try to get over there sometime next week. ."Is this rose nearly thornless? I am working on identifying a 30 year old 7 foot tall HT, with the flowers nearly identical to this. It had the worst case of Blackspot I have ever seen, but has managed to produce a flush of 50+ blooms and grow to seven feet tall and five feet wide with 10+ canes. The lady has claimed to never spray it, and it grows out of its Blackspot infections. Mild, fruity, "pernetiana" fragrance."
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I specialize in OGRs and pre 1960s roses, but I like all roses, even shrubs from 2000s such as Day Dream, Thomas Affleck, Dublin Bay and the Paul Barden creations. I just don't care for the new hybrid teas so much but there are always exceptions.
I really prefer older HTs in their climbing form because they are much more vigorous and easy to care for. When established most bloom well. My climbing Christopher Stone has been producing 7 inch flowers regularly since last year. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting a red climber. In my garden it surpasses Etoile de Hollande and Don Juan.
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#6 of 11 posted
29 APR 14 by
goncmg
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SO jealous you can grow climbers so well. Columbus is just a little too cold. I've heard wonderful things about Christopher Stone and Etoile d'Hollande even in bush form but I have yet to grow them.
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This is from the patent:
"The present invention relates to a new and distinct variety of rose plant, originated by crossing two unnamed seedlings having promising characteristics, one of which came from the well known yellow rose "Fernet Ducher," and the other, a deep orange colored seedling which was also the pollen parent of the well known "Rose d'Or" (Plant Patent No. 482).
It is quite well known that "Pernet Ducher" is a very tall, vigorous growing yellow variety but lacks depth of color and therefore bleaches out to a very light color quickly. By hybridizing as above stated, a much improved, new variety was produced characterized by a deeper yellow color of the flower (Empire Yellow intensifying to Apricot Yellow in late fall), and a much more vigorous bush than the variety "Rose d'Or."
This new variety is further distinguished by its strong, spreading, bushy habit of growth, with foliage (old) of dark green color, tough, leathery texture having very pronounced veins; and new foliage of Mahogany Red.
Asexual reproduction shows that these characteristics hold true through succeeding propagations.
The following is a detailed description of this new variety, color terminology being in accord with Ridgway's Color Standard:
Parentage: Seedling.
Seed, parent.—An unnamed seedling from
"Pernet Ducher."
Pollen parent.—An unnamed seedling which
was the pollen parent to "Rose d'Or."
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#1 of 2 posted
22 JUL 10 by
Cass
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Hmm. This presents a quandary that may take more research. Neither HMF nor Modern Roses has a plain "Pernet Ducher." There are two yellow possibilities: Feu Pernet-Ducher and Maison Pernet-Ducher. As Mme Marie Curie is a Gaujard rose, the most likely seed parent is Maison Pernet-.Ducher, which is what HMF will show for now.
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I think Feu is more likely also because the patent describes "Pernet Ducher" as being yellow to fading badly. However, the Maison version is not pure yellow, so it seems a less likely match.
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Very nice older hybrid tea. The color is a very nice clear yellow that may fade a little bit as it ages in the heat of summer. Nice moderate scent. The blooms are a little smaller than most of the newer hybrid teas and has a very nice elegant shape to it (not too stiff like many of the newer ones). Very bushy growth habit with some candelabra developement but most blooms are born singly. Forms many hips if not deadheaded. Good disease resistance - some blackspot but a little protection goes a long way. Not a very fussy rose. I grow mine on its own roots and the plant grows to about 4 feet tall and 3-4 feet wide. Survived 5 years of zone 5b winters with minimal protection. Not completely cane hardy but after established it will come back with ease.
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