The HMF default listed me as an anonymous member -- and I'm not a member. I just clicked on the email link -- and didn't really intend to post anything. My own records are lists I recently used in saving some greenhouse roses from a site where the abandoned florists nursery is being demolished. I was working with the city of Richmond on the project and trying to ID the roses we were collecting. One of the old nursery lists I was working with had a rose called "Fuegro Negro" on it -- I looked it up on HMF to see if any of the roses I was finding at the old site matched. Indeed, one did. I was curious about the meaning of the name and tried a couple of online translators to find out. They didn't return results for "fuegro" but offered "fuego" as an alternative. Seeing that it is a "black" rose, that name made more sense -- "Black Fire." However, I see that apparently Meilland uses the word "fuegro" so I'm still curious about what the name of the rose means and whether it's listed correctly on HMF. Do I have to be a member to find out? You can contact me by email if you want to know my "identity."