'The St. John Rose' reviews and comments

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Discussion id : 133-418 most recent 23 JUN 22 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 21 JUN 22 by Alain Meilland

Hi HMF, Meiramboys wasn't bred by Radler (if it was it would be a Rad rose and not a Mei rose) For the common program between Radler and Meilland, the roses are MeiRad (like Meiradena) ;) Thank you for correcting this information Cheers	REPLY

Reply #1 of 9 posted 21 JUN 22 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

The breeder assignation Radler is based on the references for 'St. John' at the Australian trials in 2008, which state the rose was bred by Radler for Meilland.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 9 posted 21 JUN 22 by Alain Meilland

Hi Jedmar,

They made a mistake... and it was corrected in the Australian Rose Annual
Book (2012) Page(s) 97.

National Rose Trial Garden of Australia Inc. Bronze Medal Winners.
Trialled 2006-2008. Year presented 2008. St. John Rose. MEIramboys. HT. Exhibitor: Corporate Roses. Breeder: Meilland, France.

So please correct this mistake ;)

And as I said, all Radler varieties are RAD, all Meilland varieties are MEI and all Radler/Meilland common breeding are MEIRAD ;)

Thanks

Reply #4 of 9 posted 21 JUN 22 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Patricia, will you please check?	REPLY

Reply #5 of 9 posted 21 JUN 22 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Sure, later - I see things more clearly in the mornings. Alain/Matthias: is the code Framboise (2009 reference) also a mistake for MEIramboys?	REPLY

Reply #6 of 9 posted 21 JUN 22 by Alain Meilland

Hi Patricia, This is the private battlename that shouldn't have been disclosed, but it has been disclosed so you can leave it ;) Since the last years this is why the breeder's code for rose trials is AM-XXX or MR-XXX so there is no longer any battlename disclosure. Thanks for asking ;)	REPLY

Reply #7 of 9 posted 22 JUN 22 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Dear Alain/Matthias,
I am amazed that you waited all these years to correct the referenced breeder of this 23 year old rose.
Before I get to correcting the breeder, I wonder if you could help with linking up any of these:

No name is listed for these 39 coded roses
ARB396
ARB919
FLO No. 798
FLO No. 974
FLO No. 291
MEIbondour
MEIbrim - date is unknown
MEIcadol
MEIcalamel
MEIdocilis
MEIdrange
MEIdrihpy - date is unknown
MEIduetto
MEIficho - date is unknown
MEIgebizet
MEIgermo
MEIgilan
MEIgripine
MEIkame
MEIkanrou
MEIlustrel
MEImet
MEImihyaho
MEInantul
MEInatul
MEInuiso
MEInuiton
MEIorlum
MEIpotcros
MEIrakts
MEIroladir
MEIromar
MEIrosfon
MEIsurfina
MEItekit
MEItesel
MEItristical
MEIxapic
MEIxapic

No code is listed for these 57 named roses
Alun
Amber Meillandina
Amie Romantica
André Grandier
Atoll '99
Belle Rouge (hybrid tea, Meilland) - date is unknown
Berliner Schloss ®
Bernensis
Blanc La Sevillana - date is unknown
Carinella - date is unknown
Circus Minijet
Colossal Meidiland
Daikin
Duo (Floribunda, Meilland, pr to 2009)
ENTrain
Estelle Meidiland
Europawelle Saar
Fairie Minijet
FIOcon
Fiorella ® (floribunda, Meilland, 2014)
Flammentour - date is unknown
Flora Romantica
Friendly ® Pink
Friendly ® purple
Friendly ® Sweet
Fuchsia Sunblaze
Gadpink
Ginkgo
Helga Piaget
Honorine de Balzac
Janice Kellogg ® - date is unknown
Jumbo Meidiland
Knock Out Scent
La Comte Fersen
La Reine Marie-Antoinette
Lilac Beauty
Lovely Symphonie ® - date is unknown
Madame Sachi
Magali (floribunda, Meilland, 1986)
Mamours
Moulin Rouge (florists rose, Meilland, 2007)
Nella Martinetti
Noplius
Oppeln
Plöner Prinzenhaus
Ranch
Rosalie Lamorlière
Salmon Meilove
Stadt Aschersleben
Star
966
Viola (hybrid tea, Meilland, 1998)
Vive les Vacances!
Vrille
William Tell
Yellow Sunset
Yonina

Reply #8 of 9 posted 22 JUN 22 by Alain Meilland

Well, I tried to send you the list but it is too long and it didn't work.

To answer your 1st question : "I am amazed that you waited all these years to correct the referenced breeder of this 23 year old rose."

Well, we are not checking every page on HMF. I happen to fall on it yesterday. It was actually already corrected by one HMF user and the rose trial in Australia, but it was not taken into account by the users.

Entries on HFM that comes from Ratuken or other phony rose list website should be ban. But I don't make the policy of HMF ;)

I'll try to send you the answers to each on of this list but most of it are just bad entries with no good reference.

Cheers
Matthias

Reply #9 of 9 posted 22 JUN 22 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Thank you Matthias. We count on experts like yourself to keep HMF accurate.
We do not make up information posted on HelpMeFind nor do we have the resources to double check the validity of all preexisting references. Information is culled from many, many different sources. Often, long standing print references that have recorded errors in perpetuity. As a dynamic and mutable resource, HelpMeFind's whole purpose is to provide an avenue for experts from around the world to pool their knowledge in an effort to build the most accurate knowledge base possible. It is a tremendous undertaking with the support of many devoted and knowledgeable volunteers giving their time freely. There will likely always be errors on HelpMeFind but unlike other static references, with the support or people like yourself we can gradually correct them and make our knowledge base as accurate as humanly possible.
Thanks again for your help

Reply #10 of 9 posted 23 JUN 22 by Alain Meilland

Hi Patricia,

I know how much this database is important to all (breeders, growers and rose lovers) and from all over the world (Chinese growers are using it extensively), and this is why I try to look up at some of ours or related to ours (Keisei, Radler, Sproul...etc). I think, one of these days (why not during Adelaide 2022 ;) ) We (breeders and HMF moderators) should have a small meeting to understand better each other on why some data are not disclosed and which data are for HMF really important ;)

I'll try to answer your long list today ;) I'm on it

Cheers
Matthias

Discussion id : 96-439 most recent 22 JUN 22 SHOW ALL

Initial post 19 DEC 16 by HMF supporting member

Michael Garhart

Reply #1 of 3 posted 21 JUN 22 by Alain Meilland

Meilland ;) it is a MEI variety. The rose trial in Adelaide made a mistake ;) Cheers	REPLY

Reply #2 of 3 posted 22 JUN 22 by HMF supporting member

Johno

I doubt it was a mistake of the trial gardens. The trial gardens do not make up codes. It would have been based on the information supplied by the exhibitor. Regards.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 3 posted 22 JUN 22 by Alain Meilland

Dear Johno, Trial grounds make mistakes on codes and names, trust us, we are dealing with it each year since 100 years. Meiramboys is a Meilland rose, if not, it would be called Radramboys ???? Matthias	REPLY

Discussion id : 127-628 most recent 17 MAY 21 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 17 MAY 21 by HMF supporting member

Johno

See label photo. Is this the same rose as Radler's 1999 Edith Piaf? Probably as it wasn't introduced to France until 2007	REPLY

Reply #1 of 1 posted 17 MAY 21 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

That label photo was helpful. We had ‘Wiener Symphoniker’ as being semi-double to double, but your photos showed a double. I have merged the files. Thank you Johno.	REPLY

Discussion id : 75-368 most recent 1 DEC 13 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 1 DEC 13 by Renato Emma

Syn.'St.John', 'Meiramboys', 'Framboise'
Bellissima rosa cespuglio Ibrido Tea, a portamento vigoroso/eretto. Fogliame lucido, verde scuro. Fiori grandi, gambo lungo, rosso rubino, orlato e ombreggiato rosso fragola, per lo piu' singoli. Fragranza intensa, di Rosa Antica, fruttata/muschiata. Rustica e rifiorente. Resistente a malattie. Fiori x esposizione e taglio. H.90cm L.60cm.
(ROSACEAE) (William J.Radler, Meilland International, Francia, 2004)