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'Erinnerung an Brod X Belle Siebrecht' rose Reviews & Comments
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I noticed, that Erinnerung an Brod has 143 unique descendants, of which 139 are Veilchenblau and its descendants... (sorry, but I detest Veilchenblau).
When one sees Erinnerung an Brod x Belle Siebrecht, one might see the potential, that this rose (E. an B.) might have as a seed- or pollenparent.
The sixthth known first generation descendant is an OP seedling from 2012 that is growing in my garden; I hope it will produce some flowers. It withstood the bare frosts of this winter with flying colours.
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#1 of 2 posted
20 JAN 14 by
CybeRose
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The story about Erinnerung an Brod being a parent of Veilchenblau was unknown to the breeder.
Everybody's Magazine 24: 746-757 (1911)
The Quest of the Perfect Rose
Franklin Clarkin
"Veilchenblau," wrote Herr Schmidt, "is a direct seedling of the 'Crimson Rambler,' not cultivated by fructification with another kind. By culture of several years, the new kind has rested constant. There have been no dosings with chemicals. The flowers appear in large umbels, are semi-double, and of medium size; when opening, partly reddish lilac; partly rose lilac, changing to amethyst, and, when fading, steel-blue; the general impression is that of the March violet. The color changes according to the place and soil. It has a substantial growth, pleasant tea scent, bright green foliage, and few but sharp thorns; up to the present it never has been attacked by mildew, and is one of the hardiest climbers. Trials of crossing with sorts apt for this purpose will be made; and probably we shall soon be able to greet the much-longed-for cornflower-blue rose."
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#2 of 2 posted
20 JAN 14 by
 Jay-Jay
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Thank You Cyberrose!
So there is some confusion!
HMF states like the "Rosenlexikon" as lineage: seedling of Crimson Rambler × Erinnerung an Brod
References at Veilchenblau, for instance "Roses et Jardins", "Modern Roses 10", "The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Roses" and "The Complete Book of Roses (Krüssmann 1981)" state:
'Veilchenblau', Syn. 'Bleu Violet', 'Violet Blue', 'Blue Rambler', 'Blue Rosalie'. Hybrid multiflora. (Descends from 'Crimson Rambler' x 'Souvenir de Brod').
The latter references do in fact not contradict Your reference...
But "me myself" intuïtively doubt whether the last lineage is right, until DNA research is clearing this matter.
Who else might shine his or her light on this interesting matter?
When Erinnerung an Brod wouldn't be a parent of Veilchenblau... that would mean there are just 5 unique descendants known of Erinnerung an Brod! And it has so much potential!
...See Erinnerung an Brod x Belle Siebrecht!!!
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Rosenschule Martin Weingart hat diese Rose nicht mehr im Assortiment.
Nursery Martin Weingart, doesn't have and sell this rose any more.
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#1 of 1 posted
2 JAN 13 by
jedmar
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