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'Strombio' rose Reviews & Comments
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I feel you should include in your list of references Perpenti's 1842 "Descrizioni della città di Monza e sua Basilica, dell’I.R., Palazzo, Giardini e Parco e delle Ville più rinomate de’suoi dintorni, second edition, Monza, 1842" which lists 'Strambio' on page 55. The importance of this text is twofold. Firstly it gives us a list of a dozen reputedly Casoretti-bred varieties (which you might wish to include in your general index); secondly, it gives us a list of camelias among which we find again the names 'Strambio', 'Traversi' and 'Taverna' - a point which, in my view, strengthens the argument for Casoretti having bred the named plants rather than simply procured them from elsewhere.
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24 JUL 12 by
 jedmar
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Will do. Can you send me a scan of the relevant pages, please?
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Given that the rose's original name was almost certainly 'Strambio' or, as in the picture I have sent you, 'Bella Strambio', I don't know why you don't include these in your synonym list.
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My guess is that the rose called 'Strombio' was originally called 'Strambio', the latter being the spelling given, for example, in Manetti's description of the Traversi garden in Desio which appeared in the 1836 volume of The Gardener's magazine (p.448). Of course, 'o' and 'a' are easily confused in handwriting, but one of the most eminent doctors of this period was Gaetano Strambio, born at Cislago not far from Desio, who was famous for leading the fight against the disease pellagra.
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25 FEB 12 by
jedmar
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That is possible. In a German encyclopedia Pellagra which Gaetano Strambio was an expert on is called "Rose of Milan"!
There was apparently also a Dr. Giovanni Strambio in Milan in the 1820s.
The assignment of the rose to Casoretti may be incorrect, as Manetti says these roses were "procured" by Casoretti, while he speaks of Magnolias obtained by him.
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Dear Jedmar,
Sorry not to have replied earlier. Regarding the "procuring" of plants by Casoretti, you are right, of course. Nevertheless Count Pertusati's reference in 1852 to 130 varieties raised by Casoretti and on view in the gaden of Villa Traversi in 1830 cannot be overlooked. While this claim by Pertusati should be taken with a pinch of salt, it is worth pointing out that this part of his article is in fact plagiarised word for word from a report given by M. Fontaneilles and printed in in Paris in 1830. In other words, there appears to have been a persistent view that Casoretti was a prolific breeder - not just of roses. May I (immodestly) refer you to the latest (2012) edition of the yearbook of the Italian Rose Society in which I have published an article on the subject.
Best wishes
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Dear Jedmar,
Sorry not to have replied earlier. Regarding the "procuring" of plants by Casoretti, you are right, of course. Nevertheless Count Pertusati's reference in 1852 to 130 varieties raised by Casoretti and on view in the gaden of Villa Traversi in 1830 cannot be overlooked. While this claim by Pertusati should be taken with a pinch of salt, it is worth pointing out that this part of his article is in fact plagiarised word for word from a report given by M. Fontaneilles and printed in in Paris in 1830. In other words, there appears to have been a persistent view that Casoretti was a prolific breeder - not just of roses. May I (immodestly) refer you to the latest (2012) edition of the yearbook of the Italian Rose Society in which I have published an article on the subject. You will also find a picture of Strambio (referred to as Bella Strambio).
Best wishes
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