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'Mousseline' rose Reviews & Comments
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10 MAR 23 by
 Lee H.
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I’m confused. Heirloom states that the centennial commemorative rose for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier is 'Never Forget' by Fabien Ducher. The tomb website (Tombguard dot org) states that the rose is Never Forget, or 'Niphetos', which was created by Bougere. Picture below from their website.
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The rose in the photo isn't 'Niphetos', which shouldn't have double inverted commas.
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#2 of 4 posted
11 MAR 23 by
Lee H.
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Saved by the edit button again!
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It has its uses! Not that I think I've ever seen a true Niphetos, but the photos are very different.
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#4 of 4 posted
11 MAR 23 by
jedmar
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It is a new rose by Fabien Ducher. Thank you for the heads up, it's added now.
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Roses sold in Australia as Niphetos have included Mrs Herbert Stevens, White Ensign, "Mystery Cream Tea" which may be Belle Emilie, and Molly Sharman-Crawford.
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6 MAR 20 by
rbehs
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Just a note on the provenance of my Niphetos, the plant of which I have posted a number of pictures. I purchased it from Roses Unlimited in South Carolina. After somebody on an antique rose forum questioned if it was actually Mrs. Herbert Stevens, I contacted Roses Unlimited, and they said their plant came from a mother plant from Vintage Roses, which used to sell both Mrs. HS and Niphetos, and distinguished between them in their catalog. I haven't grown Mrs. HS to compare, but my plant does seem to match the old pictures of Niphetos, although I'm not an expert at identification. I have it growing outside, but I am in a very mild climate, and it is still not a vigorous shrub.
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Do you have any side-on photos of your plant’s thorns?
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#2 of 6 posted
7 MAR 20 by
rbehs
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It was hard to focus on them, but here are two of the thorns.
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#3 of 6 posted
7 MAR 20 by
rbehs
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Hmmm I guess I would not describe them as thick and hooked.
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#4 of 6 posted
7 MAR 20 by
HubertG
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Your rose doesn't look to be 'Mrs. Herbert Stevens' to me.
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rbehs, probably the provenance of your plant is Peter Beales-1; Vintage-2; (see todays PLANT REFERENCES). Your excellent thorn photos may throw into doubt any ‘Niphetos’ which came from Peter Beales in the UK.
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#6 of 6 posted
8 MAR 20 by
rbehs
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Thank you--very interesting. I noticed that some of the old references also mention hardiness, so I wonder what the story is with this non-hardy version currently in commerce.
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We have a Niphetos originating from Beales, We obtained it in 1998 as climbing niphetos. This rose is almost certainly the correct bush form and not climbing. It is incredibly tender and fragile and really can't be grown outside by us in SW France. We have both MHVs and it isn't either. We also have another named niphetos from Branchi, probably incorrect but not MHV, its a very good white tea maybe an offspring of the same
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The description says hardy to zone 6b, that seems a little bit optimistic.
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