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'Roseraie de Commer' rose Reviews & Comments
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This is not a sport of Gallica officinalis.
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There is at least one reference which says it is. Can you take a look please Karin.
(My computer translates part of the French reference from Jean-Pierre Vibert's site with the gorgeous sentence "Rose garden shopping is not a sport.")
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That sentence is really deserving a prize :-D.
"Cet hybride n'a aucune parenté avec rosa gallica officinalis, ni avec rosa officinalis versicolor. Roseraie de Commer n'est pas un sport. "
Jean Pierre Vibert writes that his hybrid is not related to Gallica officinalis neither to Versicolor. It is not a sport.
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#4 of 18 posted
1 FEB 16 by
flodur
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"Roseraie de Commer n'est pas un sport." Statement of Jean Pierre Vibert on his Homepage. I think that has more truth than the reference of the American Rose Society . You should change the listing. The breeder shoulg know what he did! (As Karin said a year ago)
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We list no parentage in the listing. What do you suggest we change please?
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#6 of 18 posted
2 FEB 16 by
flodur
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You still say:
"Discovered by Jean-Pierre Vibert II"
instead of
Bred by......
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It appears it should be changed to "Bred by" instead of "Discovered by" as the person credited says it is not a sport. Therefore it has to be a seedling, or a found rose. I wish the breeder would have been more precise, stating, "I raised it from seed" or by listing the parentage.
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#8 of 18 posted
2 FEB 16 by
flodur
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We should accept that M. Vibert doesn't give the parentage for none of his roses.
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#9 of 18 posted
25 MAY 16 by
 Jay-Jay
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I would take a bet on it, he used Oh Wow!
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Oh Wow bred in 2009, Roseraie de Commer bred in 2001 ;-).
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#11 of 18 posted
25 MAY 16 by
Jay-Jay
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Oops... That bet I lost!
They look like twins though except for the scent and the rebloom.
Amazing how nature/culture finds ways to express its-self the "same way" via different routes.
Danke Karin, that You corrected me.
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Hm...really not a sport? I have got a picture of a reverse sport, I think - what do you think? ;-)
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#13 of 18 posted
22 JUN 16 by
Jay-Jay
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Maybe it's the shortest way, to contact the breeder himself via the website: http://www.jeanpierrevibert.com/jean-pierre-vibert-accueil.html (Es gibt unterhalb seines Bildes an der rechten Seite ein Kontaktformular)
I guess, he would be delighted to see Your photos.
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#14 of 18 posted
22 JUN 16 by
Jay-Jay
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Why a reverse sport? ...and not a forward sport?
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You know that I have planted all striped old garden roses in a certain area to do comparisons. The number of sports to non-striped forms is very high. For example Versicolor to Officinalis, Tricolor de Flandre does it, Variegata di Bologna does it and some of the others, a rose that goes around under several names. The striped roses are all not so strong and healthy as their non-striped sports.
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What about Ferdinand Pichard? That one has a reputation for being robust and healthy.
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#17 of 18 posted
23 JUN 16 by
flodur
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All my striped roses are very healthy and vigorous, if they are sports or not! I think thats only a question of cultivation and care. Variegata di Bologna, Honorine de Brabant 2.5 to 3.0 m, Ferdinand Pichard freezes down depending on the winter, but is back in every year, full of blooms. Commandant Beaurepaire 2,0 m, Centifolia 'Variegata' 1,8 m on on roots and Roseraie de Commer 1,5 m in the third year.
By the way, a "re-sport" is not a proof, that a striped rose is a sport, only that one of the parents was not striped!
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But if we look, for example, at Quatre Saison and its mossy sport Quatre Saison Blanc Mousseux, you will always get Quatre Saison as a sport of the mossy one, it would be very improbable that you will get the same mossy sport out of Quatre Saison.
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