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Discussion id : 123-204
most recent 14 SEP 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 SEP 20 by CybeRose
I think I have the introduction of Rosa multiflora into France sorted out.

Cast of characters in the Rosa thyrsiflora drama

André Leroy — Well-known nurseryman, Angers, France. Received seeds from Japan. Apparently sent specimens to Gustave Bonnet in Lyon, and Gaston Allard in Angers.
Gaston Allard — Angers, France. Creator of the Arboretum de la Maulévrie.
Gustave Bonnet — Créateur, à Lyon, du grand Parc de la Tète-d'Or.
James Lloyd — English botanist in Nantes, France. Received from Allard; distributed specimens widely.
Jean Sisley — Lyon, France. Received a plant from Bonnet; distributed specimens widely.
Élie-Abel Carrière — Botanist, Paris
Pierre Alfred Déséglise — French botanist, moved to Geneva in 1874
T. W. Girdlestone — English horticulturist. Received small plant from Sisley. Shared in his country.

A. Caille, Chief-gardener, Botanic Garden at Bordeaux, wrote (1879) that the garden received seeds from Japan of this species in 1873.

The myth of Polyantha alba plena sarmentosa as a Japanese import might be traceable to Gérôme, Etude botanico-horticole sur le genre Rosie (1901).
I haven't been able to find a copy online, but he regarded Rosa polyantha as the result of a cross between R. multiflora Thunberg and a variety of R. indica. Obviously a hybrid.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 13 SEP 20 by jedmar
'Polyantha alba plena sarmentosa' may be even earlier than Gérome. Nietner describes and pictures a white double climber 'Polyantha' in 1880.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 13 SEP 20 by CybeRose
p. 77
Polyantha ist endlich eine jedenfalls auch hierher gehörige Rose mit einer Unmenge in lockeren, grossen Blüthentrauben beisammen sitzenden Blumen, deren jede klein, dicht gefüllt, einer Ranunkel ähnlich ist; Knospe bis zum völligen Aufblühen roth, Blumen weiss, später in chamois übergehend, die schönste, uns bekannteste Rankrose; scheint ein ziemlich harter Bastard zu sein. In verschiedenen Rosenverzeichnissen is Polyantha die Bezeichnung einer ganzen Unterabtheilung hierher gehöriger Rosen.

Finally, Polyantha is a rose that belongs here, too, with a vast number of flowers sitting together in loose, large clusters of flowers, each of which is small, densely filled, like a ranunculus; Buds red until they have fully bloomed, flowers white, later changing to chamois, the most beautiful climbing rose we know best; seems like a pretty tough bastard. In various lists of roses, Polyantha is the name of a whole subdivision of roses belonging here.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 14 SEP 20 by jedmar
Bastard here in the meaning of "cross"
Discussion id : 122-860
most recent 21 AUG 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 7 AUG 20 by CybeRose
Willmott's reference (The Genus Rosa) to "Flukenet" should be "Plukenet".
Reply #1 of 2 posted 8 AUG 20 by jedmar
Thank you, corrected!
Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 AUG 20 by CybeRose
The only Plukenet book I can find for 1700 is the Almagesti botanici mantissa. Rosa sylvestris Cheusanica etc. is not listed there. The earliest mention of this species for Plukenet is in Amaltheum Botanicum, 1705.
Discussion id : 121-788
most recent 26 MAY 20 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 26 MAY 20 by AGBTG
Haven't noticed it posted here, but the wild bushes just before they bloom have a smell of their own. I'm guessing it's the slight moss on the unopened blossoms. A fresh pleasant scent, it took me a while to realize it was coming from those plagues of the pasture.
Discussion id : 117-033
most recent 2 JUN 19 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 JUN 19 by Andrew from Dolton
Surely this rose grows bigger that 3 metres?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 2 JUN 19 by jedmar
3 to 5 m is more correct
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