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'Marie Louise' rose Reviews & Comments
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I have just posted a picture of an early 16th century Italian painting showing what looks very much like rosa centifolia alba. If so, it looks like this variety was known in Italy well before Grimwood's discovery of it in 1775.
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Hurst (and G. S. Thomas) have used the spelling of Greenwood for the man who discovered the rose growing in a garden. Most references have used a spelling of Grimwood and I am changing the spelling to this.
Edward Bunyard in the 1936 reference has listed two roses:
Unique p94 Calyx longer, ending in a long point
Centifolia alba p147 Calyx like Alba, much longer and very winged, almost crested.
He shows 'Unique' in his Plate 19 but it is impossible to see details of the calyx.
He also shows Centifolia alba in his Plate 14, Plate 31 and in the bud drawing opposite p66.
(All these illustrations are in HelpMefind).
Both these references have ended up in the file for 'Unique', because of the synonym in this file of R. centifolia alba. I feel that Bunyard would have known they were two different roses.
Mary Lawrence's White provincialis = White provence rose painting shows a long pointed sepal and I feel this illustration is that of 'Unique'.
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21 AUG 15 by
 jedmar
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'Unica' is mentioned as a synonym of 'Centifolia alba' in Booth's 1818 catalogue. Also later there are many cross-references. We may be dealing with a family of very similar roses which are difficult to distinguish. A similar case is 'Great Maiden's Blush' and 'Small Maiden's Blush', were we do not really seem to have the latter rose today.
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Difficult is the operative word. I'll respond more in 'Great Maiden's Blush'.
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1 AUG 07 by
altora
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A catalog from 1944 from Bobbink & Atkins lists 'Vierge de Clery' as "Snow-white blooms of large size; exceedingly fragrant. Considered the best white Cabbage Rose in existence. Baron Veillard, 1888" Altora
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Patricia Taylor in her book on Thomas Blaikie (Tuckwell Press, 2001) says about this rose: “Named “Unique”, it was a centifolia, red in bud, with creamy, white flowers, the ends of the petals slightly tinged with red, and had been discovered in a garden in Suffolk in 1775 by a nurseryman who managed on that occasion to take a single budding from it. Six years later it was flowering at Bagatelle.”
Also references: "a particularly fine illustration of this rose in Mary Lawrence, A Collection of Roses from Nature (London 1799), pl. 4."
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