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"Sui Men Ren" rose Reviews & Comments
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This is listed as a found rose which isn't correct.
From communication with Dr Yoshihiro Ueda a few years ago
he informed me he introduced the Chinese ancient roses(Chun Shui Lu Bo,Jin Pin Fan Lu, Qin Lian Xue Shi, Si Chun, Sui Mei Ren, Tian Nu Guang, Ji Nang, Yin Ri He Hua) from Huaian Yueji Yuan(Huaian Rose Garden) in
Jiangsu Province of China
in 2002
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I wonder if this one is an old tea hybrid from the early 1900s colonial period that somehow wound up in the Chinese garden, or is there evidence of this hybrid existing in China before the 1800s?
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I don't understand why you would suppose this. There were hundreds of bred roses going back to before the Ming dynasty, mostly double and repeat blooming. somewhere I have an article mentioning around 60 varieties. What we class as Teas and Chinas were brought back to Europe in the late 18th century by Italian missionaries of which many were probably used by the French breeders. Nearly all of the earliest Teas died out, probably from not being hardy eneugh for the european (French) climate. Its pretty well documented that the Chinese were very fond of large double flowered repeating roses well before even the missionaries turned up. Unless someone can match this rose's characteristics to an existing HT, I can't agree with this hypothesis
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Can anyone tell me how large this rose gets? Thank you!
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A Chinese-speaking friend told me today (8-22-2017) that the name of this rose translates more or less as "Beautiful Damsel":
"SUI...means beautiful...in Chinese dialect...mei ren means people..hence its like "beautiful damsel"...lovely name for a lovely rose..."
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It would be interesting to know more about the discovery of this rose. It certainly doesn't look like a tea, but it's hard to know what to think based on only a photograph.
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4 JAN 10 by
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I agree. Doesn't look like a Tea based on the leaf shape, although it could be an early HT.
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Only the blooms look tea-like to me, and some of the stems. The foliage looks heavily "Old French OGR" descended. It looks mixed indica/ogr to me, too.
Is it possible that another rose is being circulated as the original?
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