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'1-72-1Hugonis' rose Reviews & Comments
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2 MAY 19
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Thanks for that Jay-Jay. I might leave that one for Kim Rupert to add.
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5 MAY 19 by
 Jay-Jay
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Deleted the post, to let Kim add that name, when introduced.
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15 FEB 12 by
Don H
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Kim, do you have any seedlings in the pipeline from 1-72-1Hugonis?
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Hi Don, yes, but none have flowered yet. There are also seeds from crosses with it under soil from last year, but no germinations yet. They just don't seem to like germinating in temps well into the eighties. Hopefully, this cold snap will help, all twenty-four hours of it.
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Any progress? You have to be proud of this critter. The idea is pretty cool.
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Thanks, Michael. Good to see you! Yes, there have been some more recent developments. So far, only one has flowered, and that was in its first year. I don't know if the rather weak seedling remains out back as I didn't mark it, but I did carefully pot every plant that germinated. There are seedlings between a Jim Sproul mini related to Thrive! and Knock Out with this pollen; Paul Barden's 42-03-02 with this pollen; Pink Petticoat (mini) with this pollen, which range from a thin, wispy, "ferny" plant to a monster with finger thick, four foot long canes as well as a number of self seedlings and a few using it for seed with other pollen. A few of the 1-72-1Hugonis seeds germinated last year and several more have come up in the reused soil from the seed tables. I used the soil containing its seed in its seedlings I potted to help keep better track of them in case anything worth while comes from them. I'm eager to see what their flowers are like! This is the Sproul mini X 1-72-1Hugonis seedling which flowered its first year. Yes sir, I am proud of 1-72-1Hugonis. I wish it was easier to root, though!
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Awesome! Yeah, I had a hard time trying to root the similar Rosa primula, and I gave up. Maybe they need different rooting conditions. Most of this family tends to be from areas like Turkey, so maybe that is a clue. Who knows.
A repeater is great news, since you never know how this stuff will pan out.
Oh, I forgot to mention. I was out in the rain today, moving roses and dividing up the rooted cuttings from their original bucket. And I was looking at 2 sister seedings that I planted together, R. rugosa alba x Livin' Easy and R. r. a. x Baby Love. What was so evident was the lack of thorns on the BL sibling, as well as tons of lateral buds forming everywhere. I felt this would be interesting to people, since these are known issues in breeding with most species. The other sibling was much like Robusta (...sigh lol) in architecture.
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How neat about your rugosa seedlings! Congratulations! It doesn't seem unusual for roses which sucker profusely to be resistant to rooting. In my experience, they are often much more easily propagated via suckers than cuttings, but I'm not giving up!
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Why not just bud up a few?
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Hi Robert, that's the next step. I'd rather root when possible and have to wait for the sixty or so stocks I've rooted to be ready.
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I have some rooted (understatement... huge root systems...) of Paul's 0-47-19/Trier hybrid, that I plan on trying out as root stock for grafting. I was mostly curious how it would do, considering its a mutt among synstylae types. It grows like a weed.
Do you guys get lower ratios when grafting the persian types?
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I don't know, Michael. I've not budded any Hulthemias and hadn't planned on trying. If it won't grow own root, I don't really want it. But, there are some roses out back which would definitely be better budded, so I'll play with them.
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I agree. None of my seedlings are grafted. They are all own-root, and you can definitely see years of vigor bias. For example, I have an own-root of Tequila x Roar! that is easily 5' x 5' lol.
I plan on grafting Sue Lawley, to clarify. I adore that rose but it has.... vigor issues.
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Yup, that's how I feel about Grey Pearl, Polly, Swantze and a few others I want to maintain, but the blamed plants are SO small (how small ARE they?!) I step on them.
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I've had 'Grey Pearl' on fortuniana for years. It does great, no vigor issues.
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Rosa multiflora is the choice here, but I have read about where some roses like the more fibrous rooters, like fort. That's one reason why I wanted to see if Paul's hybrid was the best of both worlds. It certainly roots somewhere in between both! Its derived from multiflora, wichurana, tea/china type, and ....whatever voodoo magic is in Floradora lol.
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Michael,'Pink Clouds' would probably be good where you are. It's really easy to work with, roots and grows like crazy.
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Ah, true. It is acidic here.
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Kim, how long til you saw blooms? With my canina, rubiginosa, and rugosa F1s, I saw blooms by year 2. The Coffee Bean x Rosa virginiana that I kept, which seems to have a growth pattern like your critter here, will be going on year 3. I am unsure if I will even see blooms this year. Based on the stems and foliage, its likely not a pale color. Metallic dark green w/ dark red ribbing.
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Most Fedtschenkoana seedlings bloom by year three, Michael. If I recall correctly, the 1-72-1Hugonis flowered its second year. This batch of Hugonis cross seedlings germinated spring 2013 and are growing well. I hope to begin seeing flowers on some of them this year. Tolhug flowered its second year and began throwing later flowers its third. Ironically, I have the longest wait for bloom from some of the modern crosses.
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Oh, I see TOLHug~! Nice.
I have the TOL x Shadow Dancer seedling, from either Moore or Barden. Paul gave it to me. I keep planting its seeds, and nothing yet. Its effectively a striped miniflora...with poor vigor lol.
What moderns are your worst wait times?
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I have buds on one of the DLFED seedlings with Midnight Blue pollen. That germinated 2012 and is now beginning to flower. The seedlings I raised from Loving Touch X Basye's Legacy took seven years before the first one flowered. I didn't wait for the others. They all became mulch. There is a wonderful, thornless, healthy, vigorous climber with straight, strong, long canes and quite nice foliage from 1-72-1 X Midnight Blue. It's seven or eight years (?) old now and has never flowered, so I'm trying for standard stocks. Some of the Cherry Parfait X DLFED seedlings took three to four years to flower, which is kind of long.
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Thats an especially long time, give the moderns you used have really short internode spacings.
I noticed that Midnight Blue and Tequila are nearly thornless here. Baby Love breeds for reduced thorn count.
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I haven't seen Tequila but Midnight Blue is completely thornless here. Cross it with a Fedtschenkoana hybrid and you sure couldn't tell it has none! Dense prickles are definitely dominant for that species.
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Yeah, in the Baby Love example I gave before, with Rugosa, it really lightened the prickle count down, but its still a Cinnamonae type... ie. VERY prickly.
Linda Campbell is a pretty amazing hybrid, being that is has such a low thorn count, is very recurrent, and is ... fuzzy. Given what we know, its Rugosa x Hp/Bourbon/Portland-type and Coral Mini. And the end product looks little like any of the above. Go figure.
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