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'Maddalena' rose Reviews & Comments
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It is quite right to attribute this variety to the Stazione Sperimentale, but the actual breeder was Eva Mameli Calvino who named it after her mother.
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Thank you !
Can you tell us more about this person and others working at Stazione Sperimentale. Possibly the actual breeders for other roses credited to this organization.
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Dear Admin,
I'm sorry, I didn't see this response from you. The fact is that it is impossible to identify the actual breeder within the Stazione Sperimentale with complete certainty. We know that Stefano Bensa was in overall charge of breeding, but there will have been initiatives by other members of staff. For example, this one by Eva Mameli and 'Clotaria' by Dr. Antonio Rusconi. I have drawn up a list of 73 varieties named by the Stazione and, if you like, I can send you it. It is based not only on Eva Mameli Calvino's article which you cite but on the Stazione's Reports and on La Costa Azzura Agricola Floreale.
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#3 of 8 posted
22 NOV 12 by
 Cà Berta
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In La Costa azzurra agricola floreale 1939 (the volume probably contains more years) is reported a rose N. 9696 bred by Eva Mameli Calvino that has the same parents and the same description of Maddalena! See the reference.
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#4 of 8 posted
23 NOV 12 by
jedmar
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Unfortunately, we might have hundreds of different roses coming from the same cross at the same time. Unless we have a reference that 9696 is 'Maddalena', this must remain as an indication only.
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#5 of 8 posted
23 NOV 12 by
Cà Berta
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Very true! However, according to the 1953 reference (Le rose ibride italiane) also Maddalena got a price in Rome in 1937. Can two clues make a proof?
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Dear Friends,
In terms of approach I think Jedmar is right. That is, a) any given cross may give hundreds of promising seedlings, the overwhelming majority of which are discarded; and b) any breeder may discard seedlings previously selected for observation and it is not useful to list these "varieties" which are neither selected for the market nor for further in-house breeding purposes. In this case, however, Ca' Berta is right: 9696 was the Stazione Sperimentale's internal code for 'Maddalena' as stated clearly in the Technical Report for 1941, p.8 in the list of roses in Garden No. 1.
Best wishes
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#7 of 8 posted
24 NOV 12 by
jedmar
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#8 of 8 posted
24 NOV 12 by
Cà Berta
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You are absolutely right.
Sometime a cross is particularly rewarding. For example Aicardi made a name for himself with the cross Julien Potin X Sensation that gave 13 outstanding seedlings (Crepuscolo, Elettra, Nova Lux, Primavera, Principessa delle rose, Rusticus, Sabinia, Saturnia, Savoia, Sfinge, Signora Puricelli, Taurinia, Vivastella). In that case two clues would not be enough to nail down a rose.
But that is a rare case ... the great majority of breeders does not look so lucky!
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