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'Tottie' rose Reviews & Comments
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Tottie is the nickname of Valentina, granddaughter of Giovanni Borgatti (personal communication).
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According to registration at Stazione Sperimentale di San Remo, Karen is another Alain x Fashion cross. Unusually no date is given for either the cross or the seed sowing.
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#1 of 8 posted
21 AUG 12 by
Cà Berta
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However Karin is yellow (straw-yellow shaded ochre-yellow) and the lineage given by Modern Roses 6, 1965 (Goldilocks X Fashion) looks right.
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Quite right. The page for 'Tottie' got wrongly attached. Thanks.
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#3 of 8 posted
21 AUG 12 by
Cà Berta
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Any idea why the crosses made by Borgatti were registered at the Stazione Sperimentale di San Remo?
Any information on Aprutina, Puritas and Valentina Borgatti?
Thank you
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The registrations were made when, in 1949, the Stazione Sperimentale di San Remo was accorded the right to register plants for breeder's patents, something plant breeder's had been campaigning for since the end of the First World War. The register seems to have ceased to function in 1966, which would explain why 'Aprutina' etc. were not registered. What I ask myself is why the more prominent breeders (Aicardi, Mansuino, Cazzaniga, Giacomasso etc.) didn't use the register (Aicardi and Mansuino did once each only). Was it because they felt it was ineffective and that applying (perhaps through distributors) for US rights was more effective? Sorry again about the carelessness with 'Karen'.
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#5 of 8 posted
24 AUG 12 by
 jedmar
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When was the registration?
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I am not sure which registrations you are referring to. As far as the registration of Borgatti's roses is concerned, the dates are as follows: Ninfea - 18/11/58, Karen - 22/1/62, Tottie - 22/1/62, Saonara - 11/4/64, Su Spantu - 11/4/64, Ilaria - 11/4/64, Folletto - 21/5/65. Is that the information you wanted?
Just one note: registration dates are sometimes years after the other three material dates recorded (in most cases) - pollination date, sowing date and selection date.
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#7 of 8 posted
26 AUG 12 by
jedmar
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Thank you for the dates: I was looking at Tottie. We only have Bred date and Introduction date, whereby the former depends on what information is available. Pollination date (bred) would be ideal, but sometimes only the introduction date or registration date is known.
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Oddly this information, in my experience always required, is neither given for 'Tottie' nor for 'Karen', both registered, as you can see, on 22/1/1962.
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