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'Baptistine Centifolia' rose Reviews & Comments
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In Autumn 2020, interested by the story behind this rose, I purchased directly from Mrs Giorgis a quite expensive bareroot plant (sold for 49 euros which it wasn't fair as in France in this field prices commonly practiced by real professionals are between 13 to 22 euros). Soon after, I began to have doubts on the authenticity because of some contradictions I noticed on related data and I called the seller to get more information. She answered all my questions reciting the long line of her ready-made sentimental story. I took two pages of notes to keep a trace of the said origins of this rose and I wasn't convinced on some details. I decided to study the rose plant to have a clear opinion.
The first year in my garden, the vigourous rose offered beautiful flowers, alas they had nearly no fragrance. Then the second year occured the same blooming characteristics. Still, the lack of fragrance was quite curious for a rose said to be especially raised for the perfume. Meanwhile I did some cuttings and I shared this variety along with two other rose enthusiats. The third year they all had the same impression and agreed with me, on the following points: - this rose wasn't the most fragrant of their rose gardens. - It couldn't be a centifolia at all when looking closely to its botanical morphology (bud, leaves, wood, thorns) - It was very, but very very very close / similar in everything, well to say it simply: strictly identical to a famous old garden rose dating from the XIXth century: 'Gaspard Monge'. This nice old rose is an altered Portlandica hybrid always mistaken in litterature for a centifolia. It was raised in 1854 by Vibert's successor, M. Robert a great horticulturist established in Angers, France. I'm very sure of this striking ressemblance and can’t be wrong because it also grows in my rosarium as well as in those of my friends.
I further shared my views and remarks with some renowned professional rosarians and they agreed too on those problems.
So, my comment here on HMF is to warn that it still exist nowadays people who can make business in appropriating some old roses as new varieties they claim to be theirs. This is unfortunate because no serious and official institution in France (not even the good credit of some obscure specialist from the I.R.A. in Antibes) who allow to register commercial copyright/protection on rose varieties are in the historical knowledge of forgotten varieties from the XIXth century. As they are not experts they couldn't suspect nor verify this possibility.
I wish that rose lovers here are well aware about stories told on some roses, as in the past several scamers were unmasked (for ex : 'Lusiadas' by Pedro da Costa/ in fact 'Céline Forestier'; 'Rose de Resht' said found in Iran by Nancy Lindsay as this rose was known in Europe since at least the 1880's and its flowers doesn't like direct Sun, 'Mme d'Hébray' by Pradel / in fact 'Unique Panachée' etc...).
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