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'Fiteni's Rose' Reviews & Comments
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Membre de la famille Brunner, pépiniériste suisse vers 1848
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The first spring after moving in to my house, I discovered a little rose with dainty pink blossoms growing on the north side, which I later learned was Climbing Cécile Brunner. I moved it to a spot near a plum tree, where it grew over the top and eventually cascaded down over the roof of my house (see photo). This rose is beautiful and indestructible and I couldn’t live without it. It is completely disease-free in my Zone 8b garden, with a plentiful spring flush mid-May and occasional later blossoms.
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Am I right in thinking that there are two climbing sports of Cecile Brunner, one of which, the California sport of 1894, blooms only in summer, and another, the one often confused with 'Bloomfield Abundance' (would that be the Australian sport, or yet another one) which is remontant?
I did grow a Cl. Cecile Brunner in CA in the 1990s which did bloom in summer only.
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I grow the 1894 'Cecile Brunner Climbing' (spring only and really tall) on its own roots across the path, perhaps 10 metres from 'Spray Cecile Brunner' (repeat flowering and not quite so tall) also on its own roots. Here the climber always flowers exactly four weeks earlier than 'Spray Cecile Brunner'. This last rose, SCB, used to be known incorrectly as 'Bloomfield Abundance'.
Because I live in Australia, I presumed that my plant was the 1894 Richard Ardagh's sport. However, note this was a presumption only. There are photos of my plant in that file which show the more-or-less single bloom style of spring-flowering, rather than the massive spray inflorescence of the repeat flowering 'Spray Cecile Brunner'.
As more than a century has passed since the climber was discovered in Australia by Richard Ardagh, and the Cecile Brunner tribe were fairly unstable in the first place, I don't think we shall ever know the difference between Hosp's (American, 1894) and Ardagh's (Australian, 1904) sports.
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Probably not. It does seem that there are least two climbing sports still, or recently, in commerce, one of which blooms once and the other of which is remontant.
Harkness has it that the American sport blooms once, so I assumed it was the American one which I had. I think mine bloomed in mid to late June, as I recall.
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From my earlier comment: Here the climber [Cecile Brunner Cl.] always flowers exactly four weeks earlier than 'Spray Cecile Brunner'.
My experience of the timing with the climber is apparently the same with the bush 'Mlle. Cecile Brunner'.
1979 New Zealand Rose Annual
p45. Old Timer. Roses of the Past. 'Bloomfield Abundance'' is sometimes confused with this rose ['Cecile Brunner']. Though some say this is a sport of 'Cecile Brunner' there are several signficant differences including a totally different flowering season, the initial flush of 'Bloomfield Abundance' being a month later than that of 'Cecile Brunner'.
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FWIW, my Climbing Cecile B. has been blooming sporadically over the summer- it has flowers on it now, but they are rather petite in the heat... I expect to see more and larger flowers if it ever gets cooler. I do not know the provenance of my clone; I took cuttings from a friend's rose several years ago.
I seem to recall that Kim Rupert said that one of the California gardens (the Huntington?) had (has?) a large climber that blooms most of the year. Mine could be related, or Mlle Cécile may have sported remontant climbers more than once.
I also have Spray Cécile; the buds, bracts and foliage are somewhat different from the climbing form, but the flowers are alike. Both of these roses are still young, so I have no first-hand information about ultimate size, although I understand that both forms will get quite large in a congenial situation.
Somehow, I do not have the original bush form.
Virginia
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Have you noted the timing of the first flush on both your roses?
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No, my Spray Cecile is still quite young- she has put on some growth this year, but this past spring, I didn't get much bloomage. Next spring, I might remember to check that out.
Virginia
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Do recall the source of your C. CB? Mine was a cutting from a friend's yard, probably purchased at a retail nursery and not from a specialty mail order vendor.
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Mine was also a cutting from a friend whose late wife collected old roses. I have no idea if it's a rose she rustled locally, or where it came from, sorry.
Are you thinking of trying it in your garden?
Virginia
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I doubt it could flourish where I live now. I do intend to be trying some polyanthas which are reputed to be hardy to zone 5. My 'Anna Vena' grew back and bloomed this year but we did have a fairly mild winter last year.
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Hopefully, a mild winter (or two) will be enough of a foundation for Alice V. to survive colder winters there.
Climbing Cecile is a tough old thing, but I don't know how hardy she'd be. I wonder if the once-bloomer would be hardier; I do suspect that she's more inclined to assume monstrous proportions than her ever-blooming counterpart?
Virginia
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3 APR 12 by
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Available from - galloway nursery
denton texas
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We don't have this nursery listed on HMF, can you provide more details.
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