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most recent 12 JUL 20 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 JUL 20 by Patricia Routley
Below are roses that have not been added to Handasyde McMillan & Co, Melbourne 1864 catalogue listing on HelpMeFind, either as references or introductions. Instead I have listed them in the nursery’s catalogue’s page. With no descriptions or possible mis-spellings, it is difficult to determine just which roses they were.
p8. Bishop’s Blush  [?Bishop’s Provence 1848 pink]
p9. Duchesse de Angouleme H.B.                        -
p9. Queen Adelaide. Fr.  [?Princess Adelaide (hybrid perpetual, Fontaine, 1856; or ?Belle Adelaide, pink gallica <1828]
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 11 JUL 20 by HubertG
Patricia, I found this in The South Australian Register newspaper of 27 November 1863, page 3, about the Adelaide Horticultural Show:

"Mr. F. C. Davis exhibited three roses which, we understand, have never before been shown in the colony. The first of these is named the Perle des Penaches, and is described as a white rose, striped with red and purple. The other two roses are named respectively the Queen Adelaide and White Fairy. The latter is a very tiny flower, the bush on which it grows being suitable for borders."

So sadly no description but it confirms that it isn't locally raised and probably its date of introduction in Europe is likely not long prior to 1863. It matches well with the catalogue date of 1864.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 11 JUL 20 by Patricia Routley
I have Davis’ 1862 catalogue and while he didn’t list a ‘Queen Adelaide’, he did list a gallica ‘Queen’ dark velvety purple, large and full. I had presumed this was Willison’s UK <1850 gallica. No other Australian catalogue that I have mentioned ‘Queen Adelaide’ up until 1900. But two references tells me I had better open a file (tomorrow) for ‘Queen Adelaide’ - it will be more accessible if we find a third ref some time. Thank you HubertG.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 11 JUL 20 by HubertG
Queen Adelaide herself died in December 1849, so it's quite possible that a rose was named after her during her lifetime or to mark her passing, which could date the rose well before its introduction to Australia. In fact I'd be surprised if there hadn't been a rose named after the Queen of England. The Adelaide article was the only Australian reference I could find. Sorry it doesn't help much, but at least it confirms there was a rose called 'Queen Adelaide' floating around Australia at that time.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 11 JUL 20 by Patricia Routley
I found a third reference and have opened the file. Very grateful for your help HubertG.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 12 JUL 20 by HubertG
So it's a gallica. I guess the "Fr." for French Rose in the catalogue should have given it away ;-)
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