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Initial post 6 JAN by a_carl76
Rose Listing Omission

Cepheus

From Highgarden Roses website (https://highgardenroses.com/collections/new-arrival/products/cepheus-french-florist-shrub-rose):

Cepheus French Florist Shrub Rose
This stunning pink shrub rose features large, full flowers with serrated petals. Its light pink outer petals contrast elegantly with the deeper pink center, and it releases a sweet, fruity fragrance. Blooming beautifully throughout the seasons, it's a delightful addition to any garden.

Color: Deep pink
Fragrance: Strong, fruity
Bloom form: Cupped
Bloom size: 4"-6"
Repeat bloomer: Yes
Shrub size: 2 1/2'-3 1/3'
Suitable for zones: 5-10
Origin: France
Breeder: Meilland
Year of introduction: 2012
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Reply #1 of 12 posted 10 JAN by jedmar
This nursery is not listed on HelpMeFind. There is very little information on the web about them, except as being located in the Portland, Oregon area.
'Cepheus' as a Meilland trade name is unknown. Maybe someone from Meilland can comment?
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Reply #2 of 12 posted 10 JAN by Nastarana
If anyone here is a customer of Portland Roses, maybe, right after you hand over the cash or card, you could gently suggest HMF as free advertising which reaches many dedicated rose gardeners.
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Reply #3 of 12 posted 11 JAN by Michael Garhart
The seller might be located in Portland, but there is no physical nursery. I live in the greater metro.

This seems like yet another of those from Etsy, except I don't recognize the name from Etsy. There is no 'About'. Nothing that tells me its a site that might make your money disappear. It COULD be real, but I don't know that, and that's honestly their problem if they do not make it apparent.

Either way, if they are real, then its an atrocious place to root and sell florist varieties. Its a low light, low elevation, high rain area. So possibly somewhere warmer ships the product to them and other like-sellers. I don't know. It just feels off to me.
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Reply #4 of 12 posted 11 JAN by Nastarana
OK, my error, it is Highgarden Roses. The website claims "grown and shipped from Portland, Oregon". No street address. They might be growing out seedlings provided by a wholesaler. There is a website, so not only Etsy.

I was interested by your description of propagation difficulties in the area. Is Heirloom at a higher elevation, not so wet? There was once Roy Hennesey's nursery, which I believe would have been not far from the mouth of the Willamette River. Did he not manage to propagate under the conditions you describe? Do greenhouses help with the excessive humidity?
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Reply #5 of 12 posted 11 JAN by Michael Garhart
Heirloom is an hour south of me, and the use a combination of massive greenhouses and also outdoor growouts.

The land there is much more affordable, and they are directly butted against a massive river, surrounded by dairy farms and mint farms (so cheaper access to materials), as well as closer to other ag businesses.

That amount of land to be able to have such an extensive system would cost millions and millions in Portland itself. It would be economically insane.
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Reply #6 of 12 posted 21 JAN by a_carl76
I decided to get a sampling of rose bushes from a few of these Etsy type rose growers this year. Many are very expensive ($100+ for a rooted cutting!!!) so I won't be going for those ones. I have had too many less rose-savvy friends order from them only to end up being disappointed with what they got. Thus me deciding to try them out and maybe suggest the better ones.

I am also interested in seeing a few of these varieties that are used in the florist trade in China, Japan and a few other places that we do not normally see available here in the United States. There might be a few out there that end up being worth the try in the garden - even in the Midwest. I would like to get the ones offered from multiple sites listed on hmf so that I, and anyone else that attempts to grow them, can give others information regarding them. Plus I like keeping everything I grow on this site!

We shall see and hopefully I can nudge the better suppliers to post on hmf.
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Reply #7 of 12 posted 22 JAN by Michael Garhart
I did some last year. My strongest recommendation out of what I tried is Allegorie, followed by Gorgeous.

I have not bothered with HMF adding any of these places, because there are too many legal and ethical concerns, as well as potential international issues. I know David Austin LLC has been having a field day with many of them.

So, as much as I love adding info to HMF, I felt it was too much of a stressor for the volunteers to deal with these online sellers that may or may not disappear when someone blinks. Also, I was not sure if HMF listing products of theirs that are trademark infringements, contractual avoidance, and skirting of patent royalties, would make HMF passively complicit. I don't want any harm to come to HMF personally, and while I know a lot of law, I am unsure of law regarding complicit nature of a unintentional aid (in this case, HMF).
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Reply #8 of 12 posted 24 JAN by Kathy Strong
I tried a bunch of them last year. Most grew backwards and eventually died. None of these Etsy dealers are into roses for anything other than a quick buck. And as soon as the quick buck disappears, so will these sellers. And in my opinion, the sooner the better. . .
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Reply #9 of 12 posted 24 JAN by a_carl76
True to a point. You are definitely correct in that a lot of the Etsy dealers seem to be all about making a quick buck. Don't get me started on the "Rainbow Rose" seeds for sale and all that nonsense. But I can appreciate and support the ones who made their years/decades long passion into a way of supporting their hobbies. IMHO they need to dial it back on the prices - a customer should not be getting a stick with barely a root on it after spending $50 or more for it. Does not matter how rare of a variety it is. Leave that price for the over litigious David Austin Roses LLC and their like.

I guess I look back too fondly to the days where I was able to get a nicely rooted rose from Vintage Gardens for only $12.50.
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Reply #10 of 12 posted 2 days ago by Kim Rupert
Or Sequoia for $8!
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Reply #12 of 12 posted yesterday by a_carl76
Oh yes! I remember feeling like I struck gold when I first saw Sequoia’s catalog. I ordered a lot from them that year (maybe around 2005ish)… and I still have the Compassion I ordered from them despite a few moves since I ordered it. Couldn’t beat those prices even back then.
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Reply #11 of 12 posted 2 days ago by Nastarana
You might want to have a look at the small selection of cold hardy roses at Fedco. I just ordered a Great Maiden's Blush from them.
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Initial post 8 JAN 13 by davidmrqtt
I know don Juan is supposed to be fragrant.... but for some reason the one I purchased has very little scent. What would cause this? bad genes? the weather? soil type?
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 9 JAN 13 by Meryl
I found the same thing but the cause turned out to be my sense of smell. I have no difficulty appreciating the typical red-rose fragrance of roses like Mr Lincoln but my nose seems not to recognise some important chemical component of Don Juan's scent. The flowers of my Don Juan are highly perfumed according to some friends but very indifferent to my nose. Just a suggestion. In your case, the cause may be quite otherwise.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 9 JAN 13 by davidmrqtt
thanks for the reply. I also heard "climate change" is causing roses to not be as fragrant as in past decades. who knows for sure?
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 10 JAN 13 by Kim Rupert
Being oils and alcohols, fragrance can often be undetectable, not only due to the individual nose's ability to perceive them, but also due to climatic conditions. Too hot, too dry, too windy, too cold or too wet and they may evaporate and blow away quickly, or not even evaporate at all. Like when you apply your cologne. Sometimes, you can smell it for hours. Others, it dissipates nearly immediately after you put it on. You might try cutting opening buds to bring indoors to fully open. In the house, the air is much more still than outdoors. Often, the humidity is higher unless you dehumdify it and it can be warmer than outdoors. This has often permitted "unscented" blooms to be appreciated for their scent. Gene Boerner, the famed breeder for J&P, often tested for fragrance in his seedlings by putting blooms under his hat on his head where they would be warm and humid. I grew Brown Velvet for years, never appreciating its scent, until a friend wrote to be brag on what a wonderful scent it had. I opened some indoors and found they did smell quite good. If you still can't smell them opened indoors and in other seasons, perhaps it is your sniffer, allergies or perhaps the effects of some medication you might be taking? Anti histamines knock out my sense of smell and much of my sense of taste. Then, there are some scents and tastes I am simply immune to. Tropicana has been touted for decades as having a rich scent of ripe raspberries, though it is "green and wet" to me. The scent of Tea in roses smells like clean Tupperware with Orthene, definitely not a desirable scent to my nose!
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 2 days ago by MiGreenThumb
"Climate Change" is the worst and most ridiculous claim to roses having a kind of reduced perceived scent. Ridiculous.
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 2 days ago by Kim Rupert
Scent is due to the evaporation of oils and alcohols. Anything which causes hotter, drier conditions will cause the oils and alcohols to evaporate faster. A climate which is hotter than it used to be could easily cause the roses or any other plant you are used to smelling to seem less scented due to the chemicals you are used to being able to smell evaporating faster. I observed it. I lived and grew roses in the Santa Clarita Valley in So Cal and in Encino where it was warm with marine influence. Before we sold and moved north, "winters" became warmer and the summers became hotter. The afternoon cooling ocean breezes stopped coming. Where it historically was possible to open the house windows between 3 and 4 PM daily to allow the cool ocean breezes to blow through and cool the interior, air conditioning was (and is now) required to accomplish the same effect. Conversely, a climate becoming colder and wetter can inhibit the evaporation of the oils and alcohols, preventing the scent from being able to be perceived. It's literally weather conditions combined with personal olfactory sensitivities. So, feel free to poo-poo "climate change", but increased heat and aridity, or increased cold and wet, will reduce the chemicals which generate the scents you're used to being able to perceive.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 2 days ago by MiGreenThumb
You cult members certainly jump on this quickly, don't you? You can't use examples of basic day-to-day weather support for long-term changes. Your type can't even predict day-to-day weather but yet you are so absolutely certain of a future outcome that you don't even have concrete evidence for. It's only a theory. A theory that says pay more taxes to the government will change the weather. Sounds pretty insane doesn't it? It also supports my theory that left us that support this kind of stuff must really have plenty of time on their hands by not being contributed members of society since they have so much free time to sit and monitor the internet as keyboard warriors full of self-righteousness.
In case you have forgotten, before mankind even existed there was the Carboniferous Era and which the entire planet was tropical in temperature.
Considering that, and in addition that we are still presently leaving an ice age, even without mankind's presence the Earth is going to warm quite significantly as part of its natural cycles.
You cultists were wrong with calling it global warming so you decided to change the name to "climate change" as a scapegoat. By doing so, no matter what happens as a justification of your religious beliefs and your positions on it. Just like with claims of safety and the obsession with safety. It obviously is breeding mental illness.
People like you have perverted science beyond what it is. There is no such thing as trusting science. It is either accurate or it is not. I remember they were going to be global cooling. Then we were going to run out of gas by 1990 or whatever it was. Then, Florida was going to be underwater by the year 2000. All bunk. All bs. All a grift which you support.
Just like we finally found out something that was all normal people already knew, fauci made up everything regarding covid social distancing and the like. You types were wrong about that too. I'm not going to listen to anyone who supports marxism, left-wing agendas, or any other Marxist policy. You are failures.
Just like the fires in LA and the shortage of water in hydrants, is not climate change either, but the result of decades of democratic mismanagement in proper controlled burns in a region that is known and prone to cycles of extremes. Maybe instead of focusing on DEI, ESG, CRT and all the other nonsense you type support, you would realize that even as a californian, that California and its policies and ideologies represent an utter failure of modern society in every facet.
Do you perhaps remember the 1815 eruption of Mount tambora? It resulted in frost and snow in July creating what was called A Year without summer which resulted in massive crop failures and hunger issues following.
I'm certainly not going to trust anything told to Us by rich people zipping around on their private jets claiming that we need to give up petroleum for heating our homes, for transportation, to make the products we use every single day, or to eat bugs because supposedly animals are bad for the planet. Moving a tailpipe around to a different location does not solve anything.
When you finally realize that you are the carbon that they wish to reduce, maybe then we can have a reasonable discussion, but I will never listen to anybody who claims paying extra taxes or living in absolute poverty will change the weather.
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 2 days ago by jedmar
Can we please keep discussions to roses and not divert to politics? "You such and such" is inappropriate here.
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Reply #10 of 9 posted 2 days ago by Nastarana
I second that request. I joined this community for the roses, not rants.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 23 FEB by Jackie13
I can smell the fragrance of Don Juan and Firefighter but absolutely no scent at all from the big reds, Papa Meilland, Mr. Lincoln, Oklahoma,Crimson Glory. So strange!
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Initial post 21 JAN by wittejo
This is my all-time favorite rose. I have moved it from 4 different residences. It is statuesque; its blooms are lovely and long-lasting; smell great; and the flowers don't look bad even after they're done. It's super healthy and vigorous even after all those moves. In January 2025 it is in the Jackson & Perkins catalogue--the first time I've seen it available in decades. Grab it while you can!
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 JAN by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I used to sell this one.

I agree. It is really lovely.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 2 days ago by Kim Rupert
I had an introduction year bare root from J&P which I grew in my old Newhall garden for many years. It was a MONSTER! When the garden had to be dismantled due to construction, that beast literally required a backhoe to tear it from the ground. It was enormous and spectacular!
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Initial post 2 days ago by Kim Rupert
It really looks like a result of using Art Nouveau.
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