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Kim Rupert 
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"Grandmother's Hat" is NOT the same as 'Molly Sharman-Crawford'.
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That was one of the several potential identifications proposed by Bob Edberg based upon illustrations in old rose publications. Unfortunately, we'll never know just who it is. I sent bud wood of it to The Netherlands years ago in hopes someone there would be able to compare it to similar roses there. It hasn't ever happened.
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13 days ago by
Jay-Jay
Kim, Maybe I might shine some light on that in a personal message. Once I got delivered 3 the same unknown roses instead of Gruss an Aachen. I wasn't familiar with Grandmother's Hat... and today I looked at some photo's on HMF of it and for me the "false delivered Gruss an Aachen" and G.H. were similar. I gave those plants away. Best Regards, Jay-Jay.
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Thanks, Jay-Jay. Good "seeing" you, by the way!
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The rose exhibitor community has been showing Grandmothers Hat under the name “Cornet” for decades. “Found” roses are not allowed at most shows, and apparently someone did a comparison in the literature, and that was the best approximation to the found rose that is everywhere in California.
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Another Bob Edberg effort. Bob's major effort was Limberlost Books. He found old colored plates he felt were sufficient matches for both of those identifications. And, it was based upon those plates he made them.
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From the Australian patent: ROSE Rosa
Variety: ‘Meigronurisar’ synonym ‘Climbing Gold Bunny’ Application No. 1991/107 Application Received: 23 September 1991 Applicant: SNC Meilland et Cie, of Antibes, France Australian Agent: Ross Roses, of Willunga, South Australia
Description – see comparison tables ‘Meigronurisar’ is a medium sized climbing rose. Flowers are produced in a cluster habit and flowering is remontant. This variety has medium size leaves. The terminal leaflets are medium green in colour, concave in cross section, round at the base and glossy on the upper side. The leaflet margin is strongly undulating. Stem thorns are catena on the upper side and concave on the lower. The pedicel is smooth. The double flower has many petals (26-50). Flowers are produced from ovate buds and are medium yellow in colour (RHS 9B-C). Petals are mildly reflexed and show distinct undulation. Sepals have weak extensions. Stamens are yellow and the style is yellow/green. The seed vessel is medium sized and pitcher shaped.
Origin ‘Meigronurisar’ is a medium sized climbing rose. Flowers are produced in a cluster habit and flowering is remontant. This variety has medium size leaves. The terminal leaflets are medium green in colour, concave in cross section, round at the base and glossy on the upper side. The leaflet margin is strongly undulating. Stem thorns are catena on the upper side and concave on the lower. The pedicel is smooth. The double flower has many petals (26-50). Flowers are produced from ovate buds and are medium yellow in colour (RHS 9B-C). Petals are mildly reflexed and show distinct undulation. Sepals have weak extensions. Stamens are yellow and the style is yellow/green. The seed vessel is medium sized and pitcher shaped.
Origin ‘Meigronurisar’ is a sport of the bush form of ‘Meigronuri’ (‘Gold Bunny’). Subsequent plants were obtained from cuttings. It was selected by SNC Meilland et Cie.
Comparator ‘Meigronuri’ (‘Gold Bunny’), the bush form of ‘Meigronurisar’.
Comparative Trial The trial was conducted at Willunga, South Australia in open beds in a loam clay soil. Plants were propagated from cuttings in February 1990 and planted out in June 1991. Mulch was applied in September 1991 and pest and disease treatments were applied as required. Seven plants of ‘Meigronurisar’ and five of ‘Meigronuri’ were planted in separate rows with 880mm between plants.
Prior Applications and sales
Country Year Status Name Applied France 1990 Pending Meigronurisar Rep South Africa 1990 Pending Meigronurisar Italy 1991 Pending Meigronurisar
‘Meigronurisar’ has been sold in France in 1990.
Description prepared by Kim Syrus of Ross Roses, Willunga SA. Table of Comparison of Rose Varieties (* = comparator)
‘Meigronurisar’ *’Meigronuri’ (‘Climbing Gold Bunny’) (‘Gold Bunny’)
PLANT GROWTH TYPE climber bush
TERMINAL LEAFLET LENGTH (mm) mean 46.7 60.7 range 78-102 84-102 std. deviation 7.93 5.18
TERMINAL LEAFLET WIDTH (mm) mean 28.0 34.7 range 18-37 26-40 std. deviation 3.64 4.02
FLOWER COLOUR GROUP medium yellow medium yellow
PETAL COLOUR – RHS Number midzone outside 9C 9C midzone inside 9C 9C margin outside 9B 9B margin inside 9A 9A
NUMBER OF PETALS 26-50 26-50
FLOWER DIAMETER (mm) mean 90.7 92.8 range 78-102 84-102 std. deviation 5.63 5.49
PETAL REFLEXING mild mild
STAMEN FILAMENT COLOUR yellow yellow
STYLE COLOUR yellow/green yellow/green
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Do you need any test growers? I volunteer, if you do. Zone 7a.
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Thank you. I need to see about getting it propagated first.
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More wonderful photo contributions to HMF !! Thank you Robert.
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Thank you for all you do, and over twenty years now! =)
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Thanks for the acknowledgement Robert, but least we not forget the past and present selfless, dedicated and loyal volunteers that have made HMF possible.
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Let's see if I can post a comment now.
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Yes, thanks to ALL!
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It's what makes the HMF world go around!
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