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'DICor' rose Reviews & Comments
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16 JAN 12 by
 goncmg
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I DISLIKE almost no rose. But I DISLIKE Redgold. We were living in Chico, CA, summer temps in the valley are 95+, often over 100, there is no humidity. NONE. REDGOLD got these weird spots, lost all leaves......we had no idea, had to look it up...............BLACKSPOT?! Yes, in -7% humidity REDGOLD got blackspot. And the blooms would fade and fry in the sun far more so than many...............the plant is sturdy, that I will say, but if I had to answer the question "What roses do you think are morbidly over-rated and for no apparent reason" REDGOLD would be at the top of my list. So bad, it is, in my experience that a few summers ago a grocery store in Columbus has this for sale................the plants were fresh out of the greenhouse and I DO love to "rescue" a rose.............but I just walked on by................Columbus is hotter and wetter than Miami June-September...........defoliated with blackspot in Chico????? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dislike this rose. I SAID IT!!
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Add Rumba and Charisma to this list and you have my full agreement! I like brilliantly colored roses; oranges, reds and yellows don't hurt my eyes and really good ones are a delight, but none of these have plants under them worth growing and none of them have "clean" colors, turning very muddy and dirty rather quickly.
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#2 of 12 posted
16 JAN 12 by
goncmg
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I am on St Croix now, I brought MR12 with me and a few old rose annuals, 81 being one of them.............in it is an artricle about most resistant varieties and CHARISMA CHARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REALLY????? LOL............because I agree...........going back to '49, Masquerade really never got topped other than color intensity..............Roman Holiday comes to mind, too...........and Matador...........of all the ones we just mentioned Matador had the best color but good LORD it is a mini-flora by today's standards and yes, the one that tells you there MIGHT be bs in town by running through the streets, defoliated..........
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I remember when Orchard Supply was puching Redgold in CA, back in the 90s or early 00s I think. There would be a row of half a dozen of nothing but Redgold. Of all possible roses, why that one?
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#4 of 12 posted
16 JAN 12 by
goncmg
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did you choose your name here, NASTARANA by accident or do you love that little rose? !!!! :-)
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I did grow Nastarana when I lived in CA, as well as other noisettes. I liked all of them very much. Nastarana had the purest white color and the best fragrance.
I just learned on the Gardenweb, that the name is Persian and apparently has a much longer and more historic lineage than I had realized.
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I actually loved this rose, but hated the blackspot. Otherwise, I loved it. But I live next to temperate rain forest, sheltered by rivers, valleys, and mountains. Arid weather is rare here.
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See, although my Redgold did get a little blackspot, I have quite a few roses that get it way worse (Neil Diamond, Stainless Steel, Rock & Roll, Blue River, Vavoom...to name a few). And, for a body bag rose, it has been very vigorous. It's a little dull right before the petals fall off, but when it's still a bud it's extremely stunning. If it's a bad rose for this type of color combo, I wonder what a good one would be?
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Some of us are currently trying out the new Citiscape Firebird. We'll see how that goes. There is Sheila's Perfume, but it's more of a grandiflora. It has huge blooms.
By the way, my Parade Day is really healthy. It's from the same line as Neil Diamond and Rock & Roll. It seems to have been spared the issues. The color is less brilliant though, but I am okay with that, because it smells nice and cuts well. And it's not flopping everywhere like ND and R&R can do. Has a similar plant structure to Oktoberfest.
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A few others to consider: Tequila Sunrise. Gets a little BS. Short HT plant. Blooms last forever, but they need deadheaded immediately because they stay on the plant too long.
Quite a few minis and minifloras in this color type, but most have issues as well. But they're mostly okay. My favorite was Dee Bennett, but its quite cold tender.
Flutterbye is a decent pillar rose in this color type, and The Magician is a good climber in this color type. And there is the famous Playboy, which is love or hate, depending if singles are desired.
In Europe, there are (used to be?) more floribundas in this color range. Well, at least in my books anyhow.
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#10 of 12 posted
9 APR 18 by
goncmg
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Michael, I LOVE Tequila Sunrise! Great call!!!! I got it in error in the late 80's/early 90's from Hortico (of course, lol) and really liked it! In Ohio always killed to the ground in winter but came back short, fat, strong, and always gave a stunning 1st spring bloom. Great foliage. Probably deserved to be better known that it is.
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I had Tequilla Sunrise eons ago, rooted from a friend's British import plant. It could be quite pretty and it had sepals which impressed me as being worthy of trying to mine cresting from...EXCEPT, in the mid desert, all I had to do was walk by it with any nitrogen, not actually apply it, but walk by it with it and the plant threw vegetative centers in every bloom. Some were so extreme, they had only a few petals, the rest was all malignant looking growths of multiple buds and deformed parts. The rest of the plant and all new growth shoots were gorgeous and totally normal looking. It was just the flower buds themselves. The hotter it got, the more it proliferated. I finally dug it out and gave it to a friend who didn't care. It grew in the "booze bed" along with Champagne Coctail; Glenfiddich; Foster's Wellington Cup and others with "booze" names.
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#12 of 12 posted
9 APR 18 by
goncmg
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Kim! :-) I miss being on HMF and love this is how we met all those years ago! I did not have the veggie issues with Tequila Sunrise but I can soooooo see how it would be a variety that would do just that. Stout/fat/eager/thick/hard....petals, leaves, stem a little too fat for the cardboard bloom......for sure................and Glenfiddich just gave me a throw back to Edmunds when Fred and Winnie still owned it and she'd write that catalogue.................Whiskey Mac!
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I purchased Redgold as a "body bag" rose from Home Depot early last spring along with a few others for next-to-nothing. To my surprise, Redgold was one of the few that took off despite its humble beginnings. Although it did blackspot some, it performed better than I expected. It bloomed at an above average rate, though they didn't last long. The blooms are not that big, but it threw up multiple clusters of them frequently that stood out nicely in the garden. For $5, it wasn't a bad investment. I've paid a lot more for more modern plants from nice nurseries that have been a lot more disappointing. If you have the room and you find one, pick it up and it might surprise you.
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