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Discussion id : 115-745 most recent 17 MAR 19 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 16 MAR 19 by HMF supporting member

Sophia's Roses

Can anyone compare the attributes of Tamora and Evelyn? I live in zone 9, East Bay Area, California. I am most likely to plant them in containers. Thank you! (I also posted this question under Tamora.)	REPLY

Reply #1 of 3 posted 17 MAR 19 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

You may get the information you need under the References and/or Members Comments for both roses.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 3 posted 17 MAR 19 by HMF supporting member

Robert Neil Rippetoe

FYI, Evelyn gets large. Tamora stay short.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 3 posted 17 MAR 19 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

Evelyn grows into a tall and narrow bush. The huge, to die for, flowers are produced on the ends of long canes. I think it shows to best advantage at the back of a border. Tamora would be a good choice for a pot. Like many Austin roses, it does fade quickly, and benefits from afternoon shade in a bright sun climate.	REPLY

Discussion id : 105-315 most recent 11 JUL 18 SHOW ALL

Initial post 5 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace

Reply #1 of 14 posted 5 SEP 17 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

Along with SDLM, 'Evelyn' is the quintessential desert rose, loves sandy soils, as you say, and high temps, and seemed for me to need far less water than 'Graham Thomas'. You might also like 'Golden Celebration' if you have room for it. Those immense old gold cabbages are one of the glories of the rose world.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 14 posted 5 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace

Thanks for the tips! I thought that I didn't want any yellows, but they are doing so great here that it's hard not to love them so will check out Golden Celebration too. I stayed away from Evelyn for a while because of reports of how difficult she was but have found just the opposite. And you're definitely right about SDLM, does great here too!	REPLY

Reply #3 of 14 posted 5 SEP 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Golden Celebration is the BIGGEST WATER and POTASSIUM HOG as own-root. Mine is 7 year-old-own-root and needs deep-watering due to its deep & large root. Folks in rainy climate complain about Golden Celebration as blackspot-prone, versus dry & hot California folks complain about its being stingy. The only time Golden Celebration was healthy for me when I got horse manure at pH 8 monthly, and piled up 1 foot of that on top. Very hard to please roses which like it cool & tons of rain & loamy & alkaline. Crown Princess Magareta is a far better choice for its tolerance of hot & dry climate, both I and KBW in Pakistan rank CPM as less fussy than Golden Celebration. Still remember buying Golden Celebration from High Country roses spring of 2011, it came with a warning, "this rose needs more water than average."

The best yellow for hot weather is Julia Child. Saw that at local rose park when it was 104 F & month-long drought with perfect foliage in full-sun. But Julia Child's scent smells like cough medicine.

Reply #4 of 14 posted 5 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace

Reply #5 of 14 posted 5 SEP 17 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

I had GC in the Central Valley in CA in part shade and it grew as a free standing shrub to about 5' tall by about 10' wide. The neighborhood cats used to hide their kittens under its' sweeping branches. For me it needed almost no extra water after the first two seasons and had no disease beyond the touch of mildew almost all roses got in early spring in that climate. I don't remember if it was grafted or not, if it was it was on Dr. Huey. Maybe the shade helped with water requirement. You might want to try it if you can find a plant for a reasonable price; I would not want to spend the $50.+ which many nurseries are now asking for much of anything except maybe for some much coveted extreme rarity.

Reply #6 of 14 posted 5 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace

Reply #7 of 14 posted 5 SEP 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Reply #8 of 14 posted 6 SEP 17 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

Lavenderlace, when I lived in a desert climate, I found that winter irrigation helped a lot in keeping my roses alive through the hot summers. Winter irrigation, about once every three weeks if there is no rain, helps spread out the water bills and helps one keep plants alive without violating water restrictions.	REPLY

Reply #9 of 14 posted 6 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace

Thank you! We are in a high humidity, low rainfall area but this year has actually had more rain than usual. I agree with you about the winter irrigation, works great, but my plants are huge!	REPLY

Reply #11 of 14 posted 5 JUN 18 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

Reply #10 of 14 posted 5 JUN 18 by Lavenderlace

Reply #12 of 14 posted 10 JUL 18 by Lavenderlace

Has anybody grown Evelyn in afternoon shade? I have some in the ground that are doing super in full broiling sun, But I have some full-sun pots that need to get planted but not sure if they would do as well with less sun, thanks!	REPLY

Reply #13 of 14 posted 11 JUL 18 by HMF supporting member

Nastarana

I grew Evelyn against an east facing wall and was satisfied with her performance. A wonderful rose for desert climates. Alas, she does not like my heavy soil and cold winters.	REPLY

Reply #14 of 14 posted 11 JUL 18 by Lavenderlace

Oh, that's good news, thank you! I have some sandy soil southern exposure spots, which are usually my "prime spots" but they certainly have less than full sun.	REPLY

Discussion id : 65-722 most recent 16 JUN 17 SHOW ALL

Initial post 11 JUL 12 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Evelyn as own-root blooms welll in alkaline clay soil with healthy & glossy foliage. The repeat is fast, it lasts 4 to 5 days in the vase, if cut in bud-form. The petals are thick, so Evelyn withstands 100 degrees summer heat. The bush throws out spreading octopus canes and needs a lot of room even as own-root. The scent is floral peach. Very healthy as own-root in my dolomitic heavy clay. Blooms well if pruned back drastically, plus high potassium fertilizer.

Reply #1 of 7 posted 30 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace

Reply #2 of 7 posted 30 OCT 16 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

The best info. on fragrance in high heat, over 100 F is given by Khalid in Pakistan, he posted detailed info. on fragrance on his 100+ roses in Organic rose forum. His roses are grafted on Centifolia, which secretes plenty of acid, so the info. is useful for those with acidic & loamy soil.

My roses are mostly own-roots, and my soil is alkaline clay, plus my summer is mostly 80 F to 90 F. The most fragrant roses in high heat are Meilland roses (Firefighter & Dee-lish), and Romantica roses (Frederic Mistral, Liv Tyler, Bolero, Tchaikovsky, and Austin roses which prefer alkaline (Evelyn, Mary Magdalene, Pat Austin, Radio Times).

I find that heat doesn't affect the scent as much as soil pH and chemistry. Take Comte de Chambord, an Old Garden rose .. once I make the soil acidic & loamy plus chicken-manure, the scent is fabulous in high heat near 90's. Old Garden roses prefer acidic pH like that of rain water (pH 5.6).

Reply #3 of 7 posted 30 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace

I had seen Khalid's observations and that was actually one of the reasons that I planted Ebb Tide, plus the raves on the fragrance. Thanks again for all of your tips!	REPLY

Reply #4 of 7 posted 15 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace

Update: My Evelyns are doing great in sandy soil. Very vigorous, healthy, and lots of blooms.	REPLY

Reply #5 of 7 posted 16 JUN 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Lavenderlace: Evelyn with large & dark green & glossy foliage blooms great with my alkaline soil & water for the past 6 years as own-root. It blooms even more once I made my clay more loamy (mix in pine-bark). I also fix my alkaline tap water with sulfate of potash & gypsum to prevent thin & weak stems.

Received 8 roses today 6/15 from Roses Unlimited Summer sale: Madame Earnest Calvat (pale & large leaves), James Galway (pale & large leaves), The Dark Lady (small leaves, medium-green, many blooms), The Squire (larger & DARK GREEN leaves, many blooms), Marie Daly (PALE tiny leaves, lots of buds), Anna's promise (medium-green leaves), Twilight Zone (almost thornless, medium-green, LARGE & thick leaves), Sutter's Gold (pale, very large, glossy leaves, zero blooms).

Marie Daly and the Dark Lady both have small & pale leaves, means I have to make my soil loamy & fast-draining. Marie Daly is an Earthkind & drought-tolerant rose and The Dark Lady has Rugosa heritage.

My code for OWN-ROOT roses: PALE LEAVES prefer loamy soil & acidic rain. DARK-GREEN prefer heavy/alkaline clay GLOSSY: best with partial shade & wet & need more solid minerals. TINY LEAVES prefer loamy & drought-tolerant (species). LARGE LEAVES = vigorous & deep root. THICK LEAVES = heat tolerant.

My Prediction: the pale ones with zero blooms will need added sulfate of potash & gypsum to fix alkaline tap water. Tiny leaves is best in loamy/sandy soil. The large leaves (Madame and James and Sutter's Gold) will have deep & big & vigorous root. The dark-green leaves The Squire and medium-green Anna's promise will bloom well in my heavy clay.

Large, thick, pale leaves but less-thorn Twilight Zone: I hope it doesn't have multiflora genetics (needs acidic rain & cool). I already had Mary Daly before: needs loamy soil & acidic rain, thanks to its VERY PALE & tiny leaves. Sutter's gold leaves are pale, but LARGER & THICKER than Bronze Star, so it'll be deeper root & heat-tolerant. Bronze Star was a big water-hog & could not bloom unless 24/7 rain. Sutter' Gold has glossy leaves, best in partial shade.

Reply #6 of 7 posted 16 JUN 17 by Lavenderlace

These are great guidelines, thank you! I can't wait to hear your reports on Sutter's Gold's fragrance. If Twilight Zone is anything like Ebb Tide here, it should be able to handle the heat. Heat index is 108 today and Ebb Tide is loaded with blooms.	REPLY

Reply #7 of 7 posted 16 JUN 17 by StrawChicago heavy clay zone 5

Thanks for the info. I updated my code for own-roots-preference. Twilight Zone has Ebb Tide as its parent, and the leaves of Twilight Zone are quite thick like Sutter's Gold, but not as large nor glossy. Barbra Streisand's leaves are large & thick, but its downfall is glossy, so that can't handle full sun above 90 F. Thick leaves can handle heat, but glossy leaves are best in partial shade. Glossy leaves retain & need lots of water. In this hot & dry weather, the bunnies devour ALL the leaves from my glossy-FlowerCarpet, but left Lynnie (large leathery foliage) alone. I leave water out for bunnies, but they prefer to "eat" their water, rather than drink !!

Discussion id : 97-058 most recent 26 JAN 17 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 25 JAN 17 by lili

Re: description. How does a rose get introduced in 1991 if it was not bred until 1992?	REPLY

Reply #1 of 2 posted 26 JAN 17 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

Time travel.	REPLY

Reply #2 of 2 posted 26 JAN 17 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Good catch! 1992 was probably the date of the ARS Registration, which was the basis for the listing. Clearly the rose was bred before 1991.	REPLY